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Quite impressed by the result to my first prompt... How feasible is it to hook Kimi up to do GitHub code reviews? the Copilot quotas got really stingy recently

you could use my model router to route between models like that. https://github.com/try-works/role-model

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I guess it remains to be seen whether this will be open-weights. We don't even know how many active params at this point.

The K3 marketing popup when I look at the Kimi Code page says "Kimi K3 Open Frontier Model". So, if it's not going to be open, they haven't told the whole team, yet.

Open like OpenAI, maybe.

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Anthropic needs to IPO and dump on you all’s retirement plans quick This was only a month and a half delay after Opus 4.8 and Fable 5 spent 18 days in embargo, resurrected with a strict classifier that handicaps it We’re at endgame

Its already too late

The sentiment has shifted far too much amongst the investor community and amongst enterprises who are the life-blood of the revenue streams of Anthropic and OAI.

Further releases of Chinese models that demonstrate the gap is not growing substantially is a huge problem. The spending will be called into question.

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So Chinese labs are driving essentially towards commodotized intelligence. Even if its a few months behind the US. Is this a classic 'commoditize my compliment' situation? They want to sell the hardware and infrastructure behind AI and make the software part not the value driver / moat? I can see it. But also even two Chinese labs sinking 100s of millions USD into training isn't exactly commoditization. It's still a…

If there was some grand strategy for all Chinese labs, surely it'd have leaked by now. I think its more likely that: - Companies can still make money from commodities - Chinese labs only have 5-10% the valuation of OpenAI/Anthropic, so massive monopoly profits aren't necessary. Profit expectations for tech companies in China are really low in general, complete opposite of the US. - Open weighting is a great way to ge…

There is definitely strategy and direction coming from the top. CEOs have been summoned for conversations. There are new rules like no Ai lovers that certainly show they are thinking about things.

The AI CTO from The Linux Foundation, Matt White, spoke about his recent trip to talk to the Chinese Ai labs ~month ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHi0jy4MK4c

https://www.economist.com/china/2026/07/16/china-wants-to-en...

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> I pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are doing the same or worse. No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that. Their terms are clear - if you use the coding plans they can[0] train in return. Enterprise and API, absolutely not. The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse. [0] opt-in, thanks

How much do we trust those guarantees? Apple currently alleges that OpenAI employees have been stealing Apple's trade secrets: https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/10/apple-sues-openai-trade-secre...

> [Mr. Tan] has directed job candidates still working for Apple to bring “Actual parts” from Apple to their interviews for “show and tell” sessions in which he and his team at OpenAI can elicit still more Apple confidential information.

> As part of its investigation, Apple found a “pattern by employees who depart for OpenAI of taking steps to evade the security processes intended to protect Apple’s confidential information.”

> Apple also claims former engineer Liu exploited a security bug to download confidential engineering files after leaving the company. Rather than report the exploit, Liu allegedly joked about it in messages (“LOL,” “so funny”). Liu also failed to return an Apple-issued laptop after his departure.

This seems pretty close to "they trust me, dumb fucks" behaviour.

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> I pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are doing the same or worse. No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that. Their terms are clear - if you use the coding plans they can[0] train in return. Enterprise and API, absolutely not. The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse. [0] opt-in, thanks

Maybe Apple lawyers can figure this out in discovery.

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> I pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are doing the same or worse. No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that. Their terms are clear - if you use the coding plans they can[0] train in return. Enterprise and API, absolutely not. The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse. [0] opt-in, thanks

If you are a regular user they could care less,if you are enterprise they might be more careful. They have credit card info, and all your chats so I’m sure they can figure things out

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I took advantage of their "Token Cup" for the world cup and won 530,000 credits. I believe at the time they said it had to be used in the desktop app, which I have installed. Nowhere can I find any sort of balance or evidence of the 530k other than the Token Cup page itself that say that is what I was given.

Their web chat has almost no settings of customization. Everything they present just comes off as amateurish to me. I trust them less than most Chinese AI companies, which a very low bar.

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> I pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are doing the same or worse. No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that. Their terms are clear - if you use the coding plans they can[0] train in return. Enterprise and API, absolutely not. The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse. [0] opt-in, thanks

How would you explain how they built https://github.com/anthropics/claude-for-legal then?

> ... for the legal workflows we see most

see.. where?

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