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'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by skeaker »

thyristan wrote: post #52

> There’s an acute water shortage in The Netherlands right now. When I open BlueSky, everyone is talking about water being increasingly wasted on cooling data centres. And for what? To generate more AI shit. Ah, the water-use BS again. In Europe, other than in the US, water use for data centers is strictly regulated. You cannot just do open-loop cooling and use a tap-water -> chiller -> sewer line. Things have to be…

On paper you can't do this, but in practice the fines for doing so (if they ever even reach your mailbox after you've bribed the local politicians, which you've done to get your center built in the first place) are just a cost of business. There are plenty of videos of people who live near data centers who now have sputtering water from their sinks, or water that comes out brown and unusable.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by NoGravitas »

catigula wrote: post #11
exabrial wrote: post #7

Right, all they're going to do is rip the concrete out and repour it, causing even more damage to the environment (concrete production and curing is unbelievably C02 intensive) I don't disagree we shouldn't be expanding power consumption unless we've moved the vast majority (>90%) of the load off fossil fuels, but this certainly didn't help anything.

The extinction threat from AI to all organic species is a little more comprehensive than a little bit of extra concrete, per the people making the AI themselves (I disavow this etc. etc).

TrueAnon Rule #23, "Always Disavow"

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by skeaker »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #100
inigyou wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well they didn't ruin a batch of cement at a cement plant did they? They ruined a datacenter construction project, specifically.

Did the Data Center get canceled? If not, then no it is not ruined and instead what's going to happen? Is someone's going to scrape up a whole bunch of that concrete releasing a whole bunch of carbon dioxide and then someone's going to pour down some more concrete which will increase the CO2 in the atmosphere.

This would still pollute less than the usage of the center. You're underestimating how much energy they use once active.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by [deleted] »

cryo32 wrote: post #54

I hate all this weird activist stuff. It's pointless. Someone just pays for it and the problem is fixed. If you want to sabotage their hyperscale data centre construction, you probably should do it from the inside. Get the skills, get a job, get to the top and do a fucking terrible job of it like MSFT's C-suite.

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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by [deleted] »

jandeboevrie wrote: post #116
thyristan wrote: post #52

> There’s an acute water shortage in The Netherlands right now. When I open BlueSky, everyone is talking about water being increasingly wasted on cooling data centres. And for what? To generate more AI shit. Ah, the water-use BS again. In Europe, other than in the US, water use for data centers is strictly regulated. You cannot just do open-loop cooling and use a tap-water -> chiller -> sewer line. Things have to be…

Source?

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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by card_zero »

inigyou wrote: post #99
Legend2440 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I mean the wealth you and I have right now. All of it - the car, the iPhone, the healthcare, the indoor plumbing, the air conditioner, the closet full of clothes - is only possible because of automation.

I wasn't aware that looms made iPhones.

India does produce a lot of cloth, it's true. "the only industry in the country that has generated large-scale employment for both skilled and unskilled labour", says Wikipedia. So they're quite well industrialized for textiles specifically. I'm not sure where this leaves the argument, I'll assume it means you're both wrong.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by baggy_trough »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #73
exabrial wrote: post #7

Right, all they're going to do is rip the concrete out and repour it, causing even more damage to the environment (concrete production and curing is unbelievably C02 intensive) I don't disagree we shouldn't be expanding power consumption unless we've moved the vast majority (>90%) of the load off fossil fuels, but this certainly didn't help anything.

Sabotage works by introducing friction into your opponents activities. Sabotaging one piece of one data center doesn't do much, but the more you do, the more outsized the impact. Imagine I'm a factory building widgets. If I buy materials, my default assumption is that I get the materials I asked for. If 5% of the time, or even 1% of the time, my vendor sends me junk that breaks my machines, now I have to introduce a…

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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by card_zero »

inigyou wrote: post #110
readthenotes1 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the Data Center get canceled? If not, then no it is not ruined and instead what's going to happen? Is someone's going to scrape up a whole bunch of that concrete releasing a whole bunch of carbon dioxide and then someone's going to pour down some more concrete which will increase the CO2 in the atmosphere.

So basically you think burning down an oil company HQ increases climate change?

That sounds likely to be true. They'll move operations to a temporary building while they build a new one. To some extent their ability to make plans will be disrupted, but the effect those plans would have had on the climate is unknown: the result is just that the oil company behaves in a more stupid and poorly-planned way, while doing some extra construction.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by cr125rider »

thyristan wrote: post #52

> There’s an acute water shortage in The Netherlands right now. When I open BlueSky, everyone is talking about water being increasingly wasted on cooling data centres. And for what? To generate more AI shit. Ah, the water-use BS again. In Europe, other than in the US, water use for data centers is strictly regulated. You cannot just do open-loop cooling and use a tap-water -> chiller -> sewer line. Things have to be…

It’s regulated in the US too. You need well and consumption permits before using tons of water. Water usage is approved

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Post by bix6 »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #97
bix6 wrote: post #61

> In recent years, people from Extinction Rebellion Netherlands have focused heavily on large scale disruptive action of ‘business as usual’. Everyone talking about how stupid and ineffective this is. The whole point is to interrupt business as usual to draw attention to the stupidity of our continued head in the sand path. The damage (or lack thereof) is largely irrelevant. The fact a regular person is risking jail…

Cluster B society tantrums

Demeaning people who are trying to improve the world is pathetic.
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