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'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

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Ruining concrete seems to go against extinction rebellion main goal. According to the World Economic Forum the co2 released during ciment production account for 8% of global co2 emissions, datancenter are estimated to contribute between 1 and 2 percent.... Math is not theirs forte!

I imagine their maths is fine. Their objective is to tackle climate change through raising awareness. That happens at the macro scale.

You think they did math on this? No, all he did was have a tantrum where they got attention to themselves and patted themselves on the bat for doing something.

They didn't think through the ecological results of someone scraping off the destroyed concrete and pouring more.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#102
post #7

Right, all they're going to do is rip the concrete out and repour it, causing even more damage to the environment (concrete production and curing is unbelievably C02 intensive) I don't disagree we shouldn't be expanding power consumption unless we've moved the vast majority (>90%) of the load off fossil fuels, but this certainly didn't help anything.

I think there is a good chance that they didn't throw enough balloons to warrant replacing it.

I wonder if they bothered to get high concentration vinegar.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#103

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No, I mean the wealth you and I have right now. All of it - the car, the iPhone, the healthcare, the indoor plumbing, the air conditioner, the closet full of clothes - is only possible because of automation.

There are multiple billions of people alive, right now, who have none of those things.

Yeah, people who live in areas that are poorly industrialized (Africa, India, etc) and whose lives have not yet been blessed with automation.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#105
post #19

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Yeah people will hear about this and subscribe to chatgpt pro in spite. You have to be special to think this is comparable to paint throwing on works of art or blocking public roads. Everyone outside tech hates AI.

I don't know a single person under 80 outside of tech who isn't using ChatGPT or more on a regular basis. If you really think everyone hates it, you are being very selective in your information/opinion sources. Yes 100% of lefty journos probably hate it, but they are an unrepresentative elite, jockeying for cultural power.

They probably use Apple Intelligence and Siri inside their iPhones, which are now powered by ChatGPT as well.

So that's pretty much everyone

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#106
post #7

Right, all they're going to do is rip the concrete out and repour it, causing even more damage to the environment (concrete production and curing is unbelievably C02 intensive) I don't disagree we shouldn't be expanding power consumption unless we've moved the vast majority (>90%) of the load off fossil fuels, but this certainly didn't help anything.

This is too dismissive of the impact. Datacenter builders now have to add security so it doesn't happen a second time, perhaps even add it in more places around the world, and the overall attractiveness of building a datacenter in the region go down. The CO2 not emitted by opening a later easily offsets curing by orders of magnitude. To fully model it you'd have to account for the demand being moved as other centers…

> now have to add security so it doesn't happen a second time

You assume that that cost is going to be borne by the corporation building the facility and not by the general public through lobbying to protect construction sites from mischief (mischief in the legal sense, which in many countries is an indictable offence).

In most democracies, private security generally has to defer to the police for anything that involves actual violence beyond detaining people until the police show up. From that point on, it's up to the police and the courts to deal with the matter.

> the overall attractiveness of building a datacenter in the region go down.

There are two directions this idea can go:

- a reduction in the rule of law by normalizing the idea that it is OK for citizens to damage otherwise legal and permitted construction - insurance costs go up for everyone because the country's government has demonstrated that protection of private property is not one of its priorities.

- an increased police presence / crackdown against protesters. The region remains a competitive venue.

If a country demonstrates the first option, this in turn leaves the corporation with two options:

- move on to a jurisdiction that does respect private property using the police

- move on to a jurisdiction where private security has more latitude to "deal with" protesters

The most likely bottom line impact that this will have, from my perspective: insurance premiums will go up a bit and everything else will stay pretty much the same. Most democratic countries will step in and protect property owners (yay property, sales, and income tax). Governments and courts don't generally look too favourably on protestors who do actual physical damage to people and companies going about their lawful business.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#107
post #87
post #57

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Yep. Even in very red areas like Texas, isn't the public opinion something like 95% opposed? City councils keep allowing it despite this, clearly due to bribes. Whole situation sucks.

I mean bribes can be good. Sure you can build a data center near me, if your going to fund a new swimming pool and library with the taxes you pay. Also I get reduced local taxes? Even better! Infrastructure building would be a whole lot easier, if people could directly tie it to tangible benefits.

It would be great if it worked that way, with the people living nearby getting concrete benefits from the new data center. Instead, they typically just see an increase in their utility bills.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#108
post #84
post #44

I suspect many HN commenters would be surprised to learn just how much the general public are on the side of these activists, condoning if not outright applauding their actions.

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Oh FFS no it isn't chinese propaganda or whatever, people are just fed up with slop

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#109

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There are multiple billions of people alive, right now, who have none of those things.

Yeah, people who live in areas that are poorly industrialized (Africa, India, etc) and whose lives have not yet been blessed with automation.

They are not "poorly industrialised", they are the other half of industrialisation. Think of the Rick and Morty episode where they split themselves into good halves and bad halves.

Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'

#110
post #32

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Well they didn't ruin a batch of cement at a cement plant did they? They ruined a datacenter construction project, specifically.

Did the Data Center get canceled? If not, then no it is not ruined and instead what's going to happen? Is someone's going to scrape up a whole bunch of that concrete releasing a whole bunch of carbon dioxide and then someone's going to pour down some more concrete which will increase the CO2 in the atmosphere.

So basically you think burning down an oil company HQ increases climate change?
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