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Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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post #9

> Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. > The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart

They've removed the paragraph about releasing model weights.

Does that mean this one won't be open source?

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#132
post #111

Pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... - rendered via the OpenRouter API: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3 95 input, 16,658 output = 25 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=95&ot=16658&ic=3&oc=15 (13,241 of those were reasoning tokens.) I think that's the most expensive pelican I've rendered through a Chinese model so far.

How did "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" turn into 95 tokens?

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#133
post #91
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=last24h&page=0&prefix=fals... or https://lobste.rs will probably have less AI

How does one get a lobsters invite?

You need a friend there. I'm trying to get in for years, however RO mode is still worth it.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#134
post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

> reasoning efficiency matters directly for how expensive a model actually is in real use

I have high hopes on this topic, given token efficiency seemed to be the primary (only?) goal of the K2.7 Code release.

Excited to see the signals that come out of the big eval/benchmark sites.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says weights will be released in the coming days, and hints it's likely around 50-70B active params.

It did say that, but it doesn't any longer.

What's the URL of the article that used to say that?

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#137
post #111

Pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... - rendered via the OpenRouter API: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3 95 input, 16,658 output = 25 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=95&ot=16658&ic=3&oc=15 (13,241 of those were reasoning tokens.) I think that's the most expensive pelican I've rendered through a Chinese model so far.

How did "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" turn into 95 tokens?

That's a great question.

I just tried "hi" through the same OpenRouter API and the input token count for that was 86 - and for "hi there" the count was 87.

I think there's an 85 token hidden system prompt of some sort.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#139
post #82
post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

It seems the subsidized era is nearing its end and we'll see a convergence on API pricing before a pulling of subscriptions pricing.

Ah, the old "subsidized" meme always rearing its head. Yawn.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#140
post #86

> Kimi K3 is Kimi’s most capable model to date, with 2.8 trillion parameters. This puts them on the top of the largest open models list: Kimi K3 2.8T DeepSeek-V4-Pro 1.6T (49B active) Kimi K2.6 ~1T (32B active) GLM-5.2 754B (40B active) DeepSeek-V3.2 685B Mistral Large 3 675B That's one mighty large model! Moonshot is going to need the USD 500 million reportedly raised earlier this year to run this model.

Ling/Ring 1T-A50B and the new Inkling 975B-A41B deserve to be on that list.
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