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Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. > K…

> > K3 pushes the boundary of end-to-end knowledge work. On the GDPval-AA v2 leaderboard, Kimi K3 scores 1687. The benchmark evaluates AI models on real-world tasks across 44 occupations and 9 major industries; Kimi K3 ranks behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and GPT-5.6 Sol Max, and ahead of Claude Opus 4.8 Max at 1600. This is the same benchmark where Sonnet 5 outperforms Opus 4.8 max. Like all model releases, the benc…

i’ll never really understand this comment. why would labs do this if they know private benchmark evals will come out in the next week?

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Right at this moment, there are more people in the world on the side of China than on the side of the USA. Which can translate into raw market numbers at some point. So these comments are kinda moot.

Maybe the Democracy Index can make this a little more fact-based: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

USA = Flawed democracy

China = Authoritarian

I don't really know how well they do this index, but probably better than a random HN comment.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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I'm a bit nervous this one isn't going to be open-weights. Any mention of "open" has been struck from the literature for this model (it was present an hour ago). We don't even know active params?

At this pricing, I'll be surprised if it's open.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Better than handing it over to the US regime.

I'd much rather give my data to China because I don't live there, so there's not a whole lot they can do to me. The US, on the other hand, has a lot leverage over my life and freedom.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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I guess it remains to be seen whether this will be open-weights. We don't even know how many active params at this point.

The article says weights will be released in the coming days, and hints it's likely around 50-70B active params.

It did say that, but it doesn't any longer.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Sadly these days this seems like the least worse of the three major regimes.

You are in a bubble. They just raided independent book stores in Hong Kong.

I measure good and bad by proximity to me. China can directly hurt me the least, the US can hurt me the most.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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The big danger here is the gradual increase in open-weight subscription costs. I use open weight subscriptions, with lower-cost models for 80% of my tasks and GLM-5.2, Qwen 3.7-Max, Kimi-K2.6/2.7-Code for the 20% that need the most intelligence. That lets me maximize the rate-limit the subscription gives (rate limits per model are literally a price-limit-per-token/model). When new/more expensive open weights come in, providers phase out older/cheaper models. Over time we will either have to pay more, or use our subscriptions less.

It goes without saying, but if the open weights become as expensive as SOTA models, there's no point in using open weights. If nobody pays for open weights' development, the development dies out, and we're stuck with a US-controlled duopoly again. Which may be the biggest threat the world has seen from the US since nukes.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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The thing is - as a European, I can choose between plague and cholera. One has mostly been reliable, stayed peaceful towards us and is primarily concerned with their internal matters and the countries right next to it. They have long-term strategy and understanding of win-win situations. The other one keeps threatening to invade/steal Greenland. Keeps waging an economic war against the entire bloc. Positions their pr…

>committed to enslaving the Uyghur people

What?

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