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Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by asenna »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #23
Tiberium wrote: post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

Tokenizers also matter. Anthropics tokenizers will encode the same piece of text at a way higher token count than OpenAi, for example. That said, Kimi is competing against GLM in my mind, and GLM 5.2 is less than 1/3 the price.

With that kind of pricing, I don't think they're competing with GLM with this new launch.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by Aeolun »

msdz wrote: post #24

> We also further increased the sparsity of the Mixture of Experts (MoE): with the Stable LatentMoE framework, the model efficiently activates 16 out of 896 experts. Together with improvements in training methodology and data recipes, these structural advances give K3 roughly 2.5x the overall scaling efficiency of K2, converting compute into capability more effectively. Assuming experts are uniformly distributed (I’m…

2.5x the scaling efficiency, so 4 times the price? What is happening here? Did the subsidies dry up with the discrepancy between chinese and US models?

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by martinald »

Tiberium wrote: post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

Will be interesting to see how it stacks up pricing wise on the various inference providers.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by sixtyj »

Tiberium wrote: post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

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Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by postalcoder »

lfx wrote: post #7
esher wrote: post #5

Half kidding feature request for HN: Mark all AI related posts so I can filter them out, when I need a pause.

Here you go https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered

I'll see your simonw tool and raise you one that actually works: https://hcker.news/?view=frontpage&ai=exclude

I's not just matching against titles. Ironically, I have an agent running daily scans, reading the contents of the top 200 stories of the day. It auto screens high-confidence ones and I make judgement calls on like 10-20 of them per day.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by ekojs »

> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report.

> K3 pushes the boundary of end-to-end knowledge work. On the GDPval-AA v2 leaderboard, Kimi K3 scores 1687. The benchmark evaluates AI models on real-world tasks across 44 occupations and 9 major industries; Kimi K3 ranks behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and GPT-5.6 Sol Max, and ahead of Claude Opus 4.8 Max at 1600.

> On AA-Briefcase, Kimi K3 scores 1527, ranking second among all models — behind only Claude Fable 5 Max and ahead of GPT-5.6 Sol Max (1495). AA-Briefcase is a private agentic knowledge-work benchmark developed by Artificial Analysis to evaluate frontier agentic capability in long-horizon knowledge work.

Really good benchmark score it seems. Maybe another DeepSeek moment right here.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by ihsw »

sixtyj wrote: post #35
Tiberium wrote: post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

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I have absolutely zero sympathy for Western model providers.

Bring on the Chinese token-dumping onslaught.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by polski-g »

nkmnz wrote: post #29
tw1984 wrote: post #9

> Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. > The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart

> > ...ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. So... it ranks THIRD?

USSR is proud to announce that they won 2nd place in an Olympic contest. The filthy USA regime? Next to last!

(There were only two countries competing in said event)

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