Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence • Hacker News Board

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by tokioyoyo » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:34 PM UTC

sixtyj wrote: post #35

Tiberium wrote: post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

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Right at this moment, there are more people in the world on the side of China than on the side of the USA. Which can translate into raw market numbers at some point. So these comments are kinda moot.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by mmaunder » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:35 PM UTC

Tiberium wrote: post #2

More details: - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/guide/kimi-k3-quickstart - https://platform.kimi.ai/docs/pricing/chat-k3 1M context, pricing is $3/$15 for 1M tokens (cache $0.3), which is extremely high for a Chinese open-weight model, but if it's truly competitive with most of the current frontier and is only behind Fable/Sol, the pricing is justified. This is 1:1 pricing of Anthropic's Sonnet series (except Sonnet 5…

Agreed re reasoning. I’ve seen this play out with 5x reasoning negating cost savings.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by pr337h4m » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:35 PM UTC

It does seem to have retained the K2 series's creative writing abilities, at least with the prompts I've tested so far.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by kleiba2 » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:35 PM UTC

smalltorch wrote: post #38

Account creation with only a phone number or google account is lame.

Especially if you don't have a phone and don't want to use your google account for anything but gmail, for privacy reasons. Both of these point apply to me, for instance.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by ekojs » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:36 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #50

ekojs wrote: post #37

> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. > K…

> its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol Pretty sure ranking “second” to two others means ranking third.

Yeah, bad wording it seems. Though a charitable interpretation is that Fable 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol are joint 1st place in the measurement.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by satvikpendem » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:36 PM UTC

Now, will they actually release the weights? Seems like Chinese model providers are slowly closing up, like Alibaba's Qwen 3.6 which did release weights (but not the biggest parameter count ones) and none for 3.7.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by scotty79 » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:36 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #50

ekojs wrote: post #37

> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. > K…

> its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol Pretty sure ranking “second” to two others means ranking third.

Which is still great because it means neither of the two best financed labs in the world manage to produce even two models themselves that would beat Kimi K3.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:37 PM UTC

Any updated Pareto frontier graphs? https://paraplouis.github.io/llm-pareto-frontier/ is quite out of date now.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by paxys » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:38 PM UTC

ekojs wrote: post #65

paxys wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol Pretty sure ranking “second” to two others means ranking third.

Yeah, bad wording it seems. Though a charitable interpretation is that Fable 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol are joint 1st place in the measurement.

Doesn’t matter, the next one is still third.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by ComputerGuru » Thu, Jul 16, 2026, 3:38 PM UTC

lfx wrote: post #7

esher wrote: post #5

Half kidding feature request for HN: Mark all AI related posts so I can filter them out, when I need a pause.

Here you go https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered

Lol, this post is number one on the leaderboard on the “filtered” list list. Trusting ai slop to filter out ai is as ironic as it gets.