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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by KludgeShySir »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #171
KludgeShySir wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very overblown assertion about kratom. I've heard of people getting addicted, but no one I've known personally has ever had any issues. I have been using kratom almost daily for about a decade, and it has been one of the most useful substances for managing my physiology in response to my environment. It's great for stress reduction, but my most common use is actually ADHD treatment (which I doubt would be "…

Youve never heard of someone being addicted but youve been taking it nearly every day for a decade? Do you hear yourself?

Taking something regularly for extended time does not imply "addiction". Otherwise we could include in that category any number of everyday activities; it needs to entail some sort of negative consequence, in spite of which you persist.

I don't experience any significant negative side effects from my usage. And BTW I also don't have a problem going cold turkey whenever I go on vacations.

Do I hear myself?! No, but I can read what I wrote.

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Post by KludgeShySir »

esseph wrote: post #91
KludgeShySir wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very overblown assertion about kratom. I've heard of people getting addicted, but no one I've known personally has ever had any issues. I have been using kratom almost daily for about a decade, and it has been one of the most useful substances for managing my physiology in response to my environment. It's great for stress reduction, but my most common use is actually ADHD treatment (which I doubt would be "…

> This is a very overblown assertion about kratom. I've heard of people getting addicted, but no one I've known personally has ever had any issues. My brother in law has a horrible kratom addiction. He now lives in a car with no insurance. > I have been using kratom almost daily for about a decade Hmm...

I'm sorry for your BIL. These things can both be true, though.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by rithdmc »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #146
rithdmc wrote: post #78

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How so? Sugar is having taxes added in many jurisdictions due to the health effects & habituation it can cause.

Different things are bad in different ways and need to be handled differently. You can’t functionally just go “both can be addictive and kill people therefore your argument is moot.” You’ve removed all qualifiers and context. To compare them is to respond to a discussion on the threat of guns with some point about people weaponizing their cars and running people over because both can cause bodily harm. I think we can…

We're talking about dangerous substances you can buy OTC, and the health implications of those. Of course kratom and sugar fall into that bucket.

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Post by Tostino »

KludgeShySir wrote: post #181
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youve never heard of someone being addicted but youve been taking it nearly every day for a decade? Do you hear yourself?

Taking something regularly for extended time does not imply "addiction". Otherwise we could include in that category any number of everyday activities; it needs to entail some sort of negative consequence, in spite of which you persist. I don't experience any significant negative side effects from my usage. And BTW I also don't have a problem going cold turkey whenever I go on vacations. Do I hear myself?! No, but I…

I don't have any personal experience with kratom, other than just recently finding out an old friend is taking it for some reason or another.

Your comment string did remind me a bit about a video that popped up on my YouTube feed like half a year ago from someone I don't watch terribly often.

https://youtu.be/TLObpcBR2yw

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Post by IAmGraydon »

MiltarizdMerica wrote: post #179
BizarroLand wrote: post #149

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Do people normally have sources on their opinions? I mean, they did specifically say it was their opinion.

I don't believe that comment qualified it as an opinion when I responded to it

I get it - you're a kratom addict looking for validation.

My post started with "My opinion is", and it was not edited or changed at any time.

Kratom does have a severe negative effect on memory, BTW.

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Post by jambalaya8 »

zingababba wrote: post #63
jambalaya8 wrote: post #48

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This was happening during the early 2000s, though in more "reputable" places (like nutrition and supplement stores; different "drugs" and chemicals, though). Not really surprised it is still going on in the weird little label producers.

You used to be able to find some wild stuff in GNC ~20 years ago, the 'pro-hormone' era was funny. All the cannabinoid analogs are a good example too, people just want to get high. I do miss salvia extracts though. Being able to pick that up in a head shop was nice before it got banned.

Yeah, there were far better (albeit questionably legal) alternatives to caffeine or ginseng for energy back then available at places like GNC that were better than either (and not at all much stronger, just easier to metabolise for me). Ads for that stuff used to be all over Muscle and Fitness, etc. I don't think any of the new stuff ever had the level of public awareness that stuff did. It also doesn't have anyone actually caring that it is untested and unsafe. The other stuff, often self-policed.

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Post by stasomatic »

bullfightonmars wrote: post #74
newsclues wrote: post #60

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When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. I am not that old.

Then what happened? Better regulation, better enforcement, anti-smoking advertising campaigns, banning public smoking, and drastically reduced amongst youth and the general public. Cigarette regulation to reduce smoking starting in the mid/late 90s is the poster child for public policy done well.

I don't think it worked. I was floored by how much smoking I saw on a recent trip to Europe, by young people of all. Scary slogans on the packs, no effect. Cigs are barely a thing in the states now, you are kind of a low caste pariah if you smoke, but I guess vaping and cannabis picked up the baton. I am an ex pack-a-day smoker myself, but quit about 10y ago. Don't crave cigs or the smell, but do crave nicotine.

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Post by [deleted] »

rithdmc wrote: post #183
Forgeties79 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different things are bad in different ways and need to be handled differently. You can’t functionally just go “both can be addictive and kill people therefore your argument is moot.” You’ve removed all qualifiers and context. To compare them is to respond to a discussion on the threat of guns with some point about people weaponizing their cars and running people over because both can cause bodily harm. I think we can…

We're talking about dangerous substances you can buy OTC, and the health implications of those. Of course kratom and sugar fall into that bucket.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

djriley wrote: post #158
nozzlegear wrote: post #70

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Prescribing opioids in the US is heavily monitored and scrutinized now. Doctors (and NPs, of which my mother is one) have to document the justification, meet state law restrictions, verify the prescription drug monitoring checks with their state, and complete the EHR workflows[†] before they can send in the prescription. There are more checks after that too that the pharmacist has to complete, and the insurance compa…

Suboxone is regulated quite a bit differently than full agonist opioids despite being a massively powerful drug. One can get a prescription online via Telemedicine for $100 and a 3 minute visit in almost all 50 states. This was started around covid to help mitigate the opiod crisis and lower barriers to access. Suboxone is CIII instead of CII like many opioids and used to have special prescribing requirements requiri…

> If you are not opiod tolerant you can put yourself in a coma today for $100 + pharmacy fees.

But how likely are you to become addicted to it? How common are long term negative life outcomes when it is involved?

There are any number of easily available chemicals that can put you in a coma, permanently injure, or kill you. That was never the concern.

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Post by breezybottom »

rustcleaner wrote: post #140
breezybottom wrote: post #124

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Watching liberty get rug-pulled should be upsetting to everybody!

That would make more sense if you didn't start by blaming the government for a laissez-faire approach.
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