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The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

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Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#11

At what point would one say that the LLM critics were wrong in their load-bearing (yes I used it) claims?

If you have no critiques about a piece of technology in an area of technology that has existed for less than 10 years I think that speaks for itself.

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#12
Criticizing use of agents for skill atrophy is valid, it definitely atrophies blank slate coding ability, though I don't think it atrophies engineering abilities unless you just YOLO all decisions to the agent. The data center/oligarchy complaints are also valid.

Saying agents produce shitty code is a bad argument though. They produce shitty codebase organization, but at a micro level their code is solid if not elegant. If you let them turn your codebase into a spaghetti mess, that's on you.

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#13

At what point would one say that the LLM critics were wrong in their load-bearing (yes I used it) claims?

If you have no critiques about a piece of technology in an area of technology that has existed for less than 10 years I think that speaks for itself.

so you are saying that the advent of internet also deserved criticism in much the same way as LLM's?

- job displacement

- ethics

- environmental

- skill atrophy

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#15

At what point would one say that the LLM critics were wrong in their load-bearing (yes I used it) claims?

The desire to categorize people as right or wrong should be resisted. It's tangential, and distracts by feeding the tribalism part of the brain instead of considering individual things that are explicitly stated.

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have no critiques about a piece of technology in an area of technology that has existed for less than 10 years I think that speaks for itself.

so you are saying that the advent of internet also deserved criticism in much the same way as LLM's? - job displacement - ethics - environmental - skill atrophy

Are you assuming that I believe the advent of the Internet and LLMs are the same thing?

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#17

At what point would one say that the LLM critics were wrong in their load-bearing (yes I used it) claims?

The desire to categorize people as right or wrong should be resisted. It's tangential, and distracts by feeding the tribalism part of the brain instead of considering individual things that are explicitly stated.

> The desire to categorize people as right or wrong should be resisted

kinda shih people say after their Load Bearing Claims (thank you Opus 4.6) turned out wrong

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#18
One thing about open source is a lot of people are throwing low quality PRs that should have been an issue or even a discussion, so you can understand what was the problem the person encountered that motivated such PR. This is hard to get because usually people use LLMs to also answer questions you make about the PR. I am tending towards blocking PRs from people outside the main developers in most of my open source projects. If the person CAN discuss the problem, authoring the PR is easier if I do it myself, even if using an LLM, because reviewing a PR authored by random internet people/bots is hard because of how much the entire code tends to change after minimal questions are asked. What I am sad of this approach is that I did met a few interesting people through receiving PRs and establishing trust and some relationships in the past (eight years ago and before)

Re: The LLM Critics Are Right. I Use LLMs Anyway

#20
> I think the core issue here is trust. You should never trust random people on the internet anyway. But before LLMs, there was this base thing: creating a proper PR with proper descriptions would require at least some human time, so it would keep trolls and low quality submissions out. Or at least you could easily filter them out within a couple of seconds. So even if a new person came in, you could trust that this person would have at least spent a couple of hours on that. And then it was probably worth taking a closer look at it.

Ding ding ding. This is my biggest gripe with AI. Even the SEO blogspam, the fluff in front of every recipe, yarnwork or DIY instruction, it all was clearly written by a human. Someone had invested time (and money) in getting something in front of my eyes.

But now, it's all just slop. Everywhere. And hell I'm tired because the onslaught breaks my trust filters.

Maybe I think this is an age thing. Boomers? They trust everything written down somewhere. No matter what, and no matter if they didn't spend half my childhood to "never trust what people write on the Internet", and now they fall for scams left and right. My generation as said grew up with this "never trust, always verify" thing. And the younger generation? They DGAF about anything any more, all they care about is trying to survive.

> And b), the teaching, aka “How do we teach new people?”: previously, there was this balance aka “the junior does some pretty mundane tasks, but for this the senior reviews it together with him and helps him to grow”.

GOD YES YES YES THIS x1000.

There is barely anything more rewarding than teaching someone something, to watch the other person grow - and eventually surpassing your own abilities. That is when you know you did right and well. My wife is the best example, she started out at "can you help me with Excel", and these days, she pulls off stuff that would make more than a few finance people blush.

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