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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by CaptWorld »

bean469 wrote: post #471
modeless wrote: post #439

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Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.

With all of the videos circulating online of the Tesla self-driving getting itself into extremely dangerous situations (like increasing speed once a child appears on the road), I'm not really sure that their self-driving tech is there yet

Progress takes time and there can be mistakes is basically the story of our civilization tho..

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by modeless »

nwienert wrote: post #521
modeless wrote: post #439

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Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.

A friend of mine just got one, ex-Chrome core dev so a fairly sharp guy, his one month review was that it was incredibly capable but had already done two maneuvers that would've led to an accident without intervention.

Sure, it still needs supervision. Today. But it has definitely passed a threshold where it is now safer to supervise it than to drive without it. And it continues to improve quickly. I expect it to work unsupervised within two years (and unlike Elon I have not been saying this every year for the past decade).

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by jatins »

CaptWorld wrote: post #531
bean469 wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all of the videos circulating online of the Tesla self-driving getting itself into extremely dangerous situations (like increasing speed once a child appears on the road), I'm not really sure that their self-driving tech is there yet

Progress takes time and there can be mistakes is basically the story of our civilization tho..

> Progress takes time and there can be mistakes is basically the story of our civilization tho

Yeah, no one is doubting it. People are just asking to not be lied to about how much progress has been made

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Lomlioto »

blfr wrote: post #29
SimianSci wrote: post #6

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Your choice is Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, or the Chinese. Who are the good actors within the space?

At this point Chinese. They release research papers and big open models.

Then Google. They often show human centric features in their conferences. Like taking better pictures of people with different skin color, helping blind people and giving you more control over ads (while acklowiding that this is a thing).

Then Anthropic for their transparency on their blog and certain things they say.

Then OpenAI. OpenAI def took a dive for me after the Apple alegiations.

Grok and xAI? bottom last. Not wanting to give Elon Musk my data. You know that you can't trust Chinese people but they might surprise you. But with Elon Musk? No character trait which indicates anything trust worthy.

Flip flopping left and right, switching from left wing to right wing (which feels calculated but badly executed) and single handingly hurting people and children around the globe (USAID, Gasturbines at his data centers etc.)

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by ben_w »

b112 wrote: post #158
ben_w wrote: post #56

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Rank ordered by reputation / caring about having a trustworthy corporate identity: [Google, Anthropic] in either order depending who you ask, OpenAI, most of the Chinese AI corporations, then Grok. This is unfortunate situation to find ourselves in when Grok was also recently at the top of the Pareto frontier for quality/price. Dunno if it still is, this all moves too fast, but it was for at least long enough for me…

Google?!?! . From where I sit, Google is just above the Chinese. They've been bad-faith actors for more than a decade, I guess everyone is just so used to it that they ignore it. I there's anyone I don't trust with AI, it's the worlds #1 company in spying on people, in collection of Pii, in tracking, and many many many times caught literally lying about it. Google already knows more about everyone on the planet, than…

> I there's anyone I don't trust with AI, it's the worlds #1 company in spying on people, in collection of Pii, in tracking, and many many many times caught literally lying about it.

If you gave me this description in isolation, I would assume you were talking about Meta, who are not on your shortlist despite also having AI models.

However, this is beside the point. Note my careful phrasing: I was not disagreeing with you asking "Who are the good actors within the space?" (which I understood as a rhetorical way of saying "none of them"), I was only rank-ordering them.

To me, it appears Grok isn't even putting in effort to try to look trustworthy. China is trying, though there is suspicion. OpenAI likes to say the right things, though (while I cannot see it myself with regards specifically to his work at OpenAI*) most commentary about Altman regards him as a wrong'un, the phrase "King of the cannibals" comes to mind, and the CEO is limiting trust in the company**.

Comparing Anthropic and Google: Anthropic looks to me like they're actually trying to do the right thing even when it's expensive and painful, but some hate them just for being in AI at all. Google appears to still have a competent PR department, though I don't trust them myself. So, I'd rank Anthropic then Google, but I think there's many who would rank Google then Anthropic.

* But I do put about 40% odds on his sister's allegations being true.

** My guess here is that we all saw Zuckerberg being presented as a heroic underdog and how that turned out, and naturally people don't want a repeat of this.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Lomlioto »

embedding-shape wrote: post #519
Lomlioto wrote: post #510

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Payload into space is a very limited business. This doesn't make Space-X such a high valued company at all. And while Space-X is doing its thing, the rest of the world started to move too (china). So first mover advantage is disappearing.

> Payload into space is a very limited business. Today, sure. In the future, very unlikely. US military and alike are also unlikely to start to rely on China to ship stuff to space.

We already send up a ton of satelites etc.

So what will reasonable be the payload we send up which makes Space-X a Trillion dollar company?

It will not be Datacenters for at least 50 or 100 years more.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by radicalriddler »

drdrek wrote: post #518

I like that the trailing players strategy (Meta, xAI) is to open source the moat of the leaders. I think we will all benefit from it. and hopefully both the leaders and the trailing players will be much less powerful in the end.

What does this open source that the Codex harness hasn't already?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by embedding-shape »

Lomlioto wrote: post #538
embedding-shape wrote: post #519

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> Payload into space is a very limited business. Today, sure. In the future, very unlikely. US military and alike are also unlikely to start to rely on China to ship stuff to space.

We already send up a ton of satelites etc. So what will reasonable be the payload we send up which makes Space-X a Trillion dollar company? It will not be Datacenters for at least 50 or 100 years more.

> So what will reasonable be the payload we send up which makes Space-X a Trillion dollar company?

Being familiar with US history, I'd guess they'll send up a ton of weapons and surveillance utilities basically, together with some lower-class stuff like what consumers and end-users get slight benefits from.

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