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US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#101

Boo, hiss. Permanent Standard Time is better in every way https://savestandardtime.com/

I want to to be light out after work so I can do things outside. Ideally for as long as possible. I don't care if I have to get up and start work in the dark; that time is lost to me anyways and that's what lights are for.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#102
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or have a universal clock. But have regional start times. 9-5 makes no sense.

9-5 is a red herring for this topic - but why does it make no sense to you?

Because we set it up so that our shared infrastructure goes under load at the same time instead of being better distributed. With a universal clock, there may be less pressure to start at shared time. Staggered starts.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#103
post #68

For night owls and teenagers, who already have a hard time in society, Daylight Saving Time makes things far worse. It’s been tried and failed, already, primarily due to school/kids issues. The sun will rise really, really late in the dead of winter in some places. Sleep experts are all pretty much in agreement that permanent Standard Time is better. I’d be all for permanent Standard Time but there’s no way that’ll h…

> Sleep experts are all pretty much in agreement that permanent Standard Time is better.

I wonder why we can't just push school back later in the winter? I guess that'd be a little disruptive to society (all the parents have to change their schedules depending on how it's implemented), but things are already disruptive with the time change, and summer vacation schedules, and so on.

Just spitballing, I'd prefer permanent Standard Time myself too.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#104
post #76
post #43

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You are aware that at least much of Europe uses a similar system to what the US uses today?

Europe is less than 8% of the world's population. The vast majority of the world uses standard time. It works. No one there pines for permanent daylight time. Europe is wrong 50% of the time. The US[1] will be wrong 100% of the time. It can mostly get away with this because it spans the continent. But still, you're going to deal with the stupidity that crossing the Mexican border you will always have to correct your…

> The vast majority of the world uses standard time. It works. No one there pines for permanent daylight time.

Timezones are political, there are many cities and countries that are an hour or more west of the timezone implied by their longitude, which is equivalent to permanent daylight time, even if they don't call it permanent daylight time.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#105
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is less than 8% of the world's population. The vast majority of the world uses standard time. It works. No one there pines for permanent daylight time. Europe is wrong 50% of the time. The US[1] will be wrong 100% of the time. It can mostly get away with this because it spans the continent. But still, you're going to deal with the stupidity that crossing the Mexican border you will always have to correct your…

> The vast majority of the world uses standard time. It works. No one there pines for permanent daylight time. Timezones are political, there are many cities and countries that are an hour or more west of the timezone implied by their longitude, which is equivalent to permanent daylight time, even if they don't call it permanent daylight time.

See Spain.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#107
post #8

Am I the only person who thinks its odd that my government (US) thinks its can tell me what time to get up and go to bed? Before timezones, "noon" was the point where the sun was the highest in the sky. It seems we should focus on having our timezones be more in line with what "noon" is supposed to be: IE, major population centers should have "noon" close to true noon, with a little more flexibility for rural areas s…

Okay, so you travel from, say, Washington DC to NYC and then you have to set your clock back by... I think it's like 13 minutes? Which is why railroads started instituting time zones in the late 19th century: because it turns out having to recalibrate your watch every hour or so is a recipe for creating train crashes. Railroad time didn't become standard time until the early 20th century, in large part because a lot…

No, you completely misinterpreted me. Just keep true noon within ~30 minutes of noon in population centers, and allow rural areas ~45 minutes. DC and NYC would be in the same time zone.

Right now DC's true noon is more than an hour off. That's too much. (Where I live, my true noon is always ~30 minutes off, both in standard and dst, so I can't complain.)

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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post #11
post #8

Am I the only person who thinks its odd that my government (US) thinks its can tell me what time to get up and go to bed? Before timezones, "noon" was the point where the sun was the highest in the sky. It seems we should focus on having our timezones be more in line with what "noon" is supposed to be: IE, major population centers should have "noon" close to true noon, with a little more flexibility for rural areas s…

Or have a universal clock. But have regional start times. 9-5 makes no sense.

That's called UTC. Most datetimes are stored that way and converted to local time in the UI.

(To prove it, open finder or explorer and look at a file's modified time. Then change your time zone. You might need to refresh the window. You can even select UTC as your computer's time zone. It's how some cloud servers operate.)

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#109
post #8

Am I the only person who thinks its odd that my government (US) thinks its can tell me what time to get up and go to bed? Before timezones, "noon" was the point where the sun was the highest in the sky. It seems we should focus on having our timezones be more in line with what "noon" is supposed to be: IE, major population centers should have "noon" close to true noon, with a little more flexibility for rural areas s…

Ideal and impractical. Even with modern wifi. Why not have your own timezone based on where you are standing right now? Oh, right, because that's the opposite of universal (or at least worldwide). One-hour shifts are manageable. One-minute shifts between population centers are not. Your meeting would start at precisely 8:03:38, your time. The business you are calling would close its doors 13 minutes before 5 pm.

Please re-read my comment

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

#110
post #8

Am I the only person who thinks its odd that my government (US) thinks its can tell me what time to get up and go to bed? Before timezones, "noon" was the point where the sun was the highest in the sky. It seems we should focus on having our timezones be more in line with what "noon" is supposed to be: IE, major population centers should have "noon" close to true noon, with a little more flexibility for rural areas s…

that became an issue with the introduction of trains and their schedule. how do you think this would work today with our interconnected world? we absolutely need standardized times or everything falls apart.

Please re-read my comment
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