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US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by Auracle »

etrautmann wrote: post #51
BeetleB wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Studies also show that permanent standard time is better than permanent daylight time. But for some reason, the US wants to go against the rest of the world on this.

For what reasons is it better? I’d rather have the evening light than the first 20 minutes when I get up.

It matches our circadian rhythms better. That leads to absolutely massive better health outcomes, society-wide.

People wanting to drive home with a bit of light doesn’t really offset everyone’s sleep getting screwed up, especially those with later natural circadian rhythms.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by ghaff »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #42
hammock wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree permanent standard time is a better solution. But maybe we change work to 8-4 from 9-5 and might be better that way anyway.

> But maybe we change work to 8-4 from 9-5 and might be better that way anyway. Why not change the working hours of stores, and tv programming and other schedules too? In the end, you get the same thing as a clock change, but having to change the times of everything everywhere.

What's TV programming? :-)

Stores already open across a spectrum of times.

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Post by eesmith »

IAmBroom wrote: post #22
whycome wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or have a universal clock. But have regional start times. 9-5 makes no sense.

9-5 is a red herring for this topic - but why does it make no sense to you?

If everyone follows the same clock, like, now is 12:30pm, across the entire world, then while everyone could also work 9-5, we know that most people like to be awake during daylight and asleep at night, so the local working hours might be 2-10.

We can get an idea of the issues in China, which has a single national timezone instead of 4 or 5 geographical time zones. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_China

> Beijing Time users in Xinjiang usually schedule their daily activities two hours later than those who live in eastern China. As such, stores and offices in Xinjiang are commonly open from 10:00 to 19:00 Beijing Time, which equals 08:00 to 17:00 in Ürümqi Time.[17] This is known as the work/rest time in Xinjiang.

Thus, "9-5" would get a name like "work time", or the existing name of "day shift" would have increased popularity.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

Georgelemental wrote: post #23

Boo, hiss. Permanent Standard Time is better in every way https://savestandardtime.com/

Boo! Permanent Dawn time is better. Every day at 03:00, set the time when the upper limb of the sun will cross the sea-level horizon at the equator to 06:30. That means kids never have to wait for the bus in the morning in the dark, except at high latitudes in winter but who cares about those kids right?

/s

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by BeetleB »

ghaff wrote: post #43
BeetleB wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Studies also show that permanent standard time is better than permanent daylight time. But for some reason, the US wants to go against the rest of the world on this.

You are aware that at least much of Europe uses a similar system to what the US uses today?

Europe is less than 8% of the world's population. The vast majority of the world uses standard time. It works. No one there pines for permanent daylight time.

Europe is wrong 50% of the time. The US[1] will be wrong 100% of the time. It can mostly get away with this because it spans the continent. But still, you're going to deal with the stupidity that crossing the Mexican border you will always have to correct your watch.

[1] And Alberta + BC. But really - all of Canada is just a rounding error anyway!

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by BeetleB »

bsimpson wrote: post #10

Glad to see progress made on this. In my 20s, I strongly considered taking some time off to create and drive petitions across the Pacific states to put us all on permanent PDT (matching Arizona). In my research, I saw it would take an act of Congress to make that happen, so I stood down.

> to put us all on permanent PDT (matching Arizona).

Arizona is (wisely) on permanent standard time.

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by BeetleB »

WarmWash wrote: post #33

Permanent standard time means less sunlight time after work. Permanent DST means kids walking to school in the dark. Changing the clock twice a year fixes that and lets us avoid both, with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards. It's like ripping off the bandaid, instead of doing a slow agonizing pull that lasts months. And yes, I know some people take like 6 weeks to adjust and they will complai…

> with the only cost being people complaining for a day afterwards.

I complain all summer long.

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Post by BeetleB »

alistairSH wrote: post #41
hammock wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree permanent standard time is a better solution. But maybe we change work to 8-4 from 9-5 and might be better that way anyway.

Does anybody actually work 9-5 (ie 7 hours assuming they take a break or two)?

Most of us.

(It's actually 8-5 with an hour's break).

Re: US House of Representatives takes step to make daylight saving time permanent

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Post by BeetleB »

garciansmith wrote: post #27
macintux wrote: post #12

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I doubt it. People seem to have a strong aversion to sleeping before sunset.

How would permanent DST matter in that regard? Are people going to bed at like 4 pm in the winter and now upset they'd have to wait until 5? DST is already used in the summer (and 3/4 of the year).

It's about summer. And yes, some people hate it that there is still light out at 9:30pm.
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