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Re: Grok Build is open source

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The stock market would not like that, though.

Does he even need to care about that at this point? He retains majority voting control over SpaceX so nobody can stage a hostile takeover. And he’s given his employees an opportunity to cash out if they wanted to.

He hasn't needed to worry about money for a long long time. Arguably his entire life. But he is incredibly greedy and narcissistic and desperate to fill the hole in his soul with more.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Just blogged about this here[0] but at least they're not doing the usual canned PR response surrounding this. Folks are already building on top of it: thedavidweng/gork-build[1] — rebrand grok→"gork", stripped vendor telemetry, opt-out-only data retention, blocks x.ai auto-update. A "VSCodium-style privacy fork." DigiGoon/digi-grok-build[2] — "dgrok" multi-provider CLI, builds from source instead of x.ai CDN. victor-…

These are all pointless forks, they will die in a year. Bookmark this and check back.

While I'm sure most of them will die, there will certainly be 1 or 2 that the community rallies behind

Re: Grok Build is open source

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The rocket business is hardly profitable. The whole valuation is based around grok and space datacenters. He needs to keep pumping the hype or else we are in for the worlds biggest crash.

Well, in the long run expansion into space is the only profitable thing.

What a bizarre take.

What's so special out there that we can feasibly reach in the lifetimes of our grandchildren that makes it the "only profitable thing"?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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I’m a big fan of Musk. One of the few criticisms I have is how xAI is also inconsistent with original OpenAI mission. I had imagined xAI as en effort to correct and fully embody all original values of OpenAI and that Elon says they betrayed. That makes his criticism weaker and I understand why some can think it was all about control. In his words: "I'm the reason OpenAl exists. I came up with the name. The name OpenA…

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Because I don't believe what you just said about him. Literally not even one detail.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…

Doesn't saltman effectively have full control of the company?

no

Re: Grok Build is open source

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This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

I don't know anyone who would trust Grok Build anymore. I'd be wary of Cursor in the next few months too.

... it's open source.

Presumably anyone who wants to trust it can audit it. You didn't have to trust it, you can see exactly what it does.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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I understand reading it as benign and sincere if you're sympathetic to the sentiment. As someone whose job it is to read the comments all day every day, and whose objective is to keep discussions here as intellectually gratifying as possible, it just comes across as unsubstantive at best, and jeering at worst. The project is open source; if the commenter was sincerely curious about what the software does with a user'…

Ah, that's fair. I think I saw the [dead] and [flagged] and assumed you might have personally pulled a lever behind-the-scenes for that, but that was not a fair assumption of mine. I hope I don't come off as argumentative, but I did try checking the source code myself. It clocks in at 1.3 million lines of Rust around version `b189869`, so I can't hold that against anyone. Most of that is under `crates/` (which contai…

Thanks for understanding. I had un-killed the original comment but it was re-killed by later flags. I've made it un-killable now.

The rest of your comment all sounds like great material for a curious conversation about how/whether you could check what the software is doing with the code :)

Re: Grok Build is open source

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You will be surprised how much code goes into creating harnesses.

Alright I’ll bite. Why do harnesses require so much code?

Because a harness doesn't just "drive" the LLM. e.g., there's code in claude code that detects if the user's prompt shows they're angry, and they react to those prompts differently. (they use regex on "wtf", etc.!)
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