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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by foltik »

stusmall wrote: post #197
gidellav wrote: post #161

What a bunch of slop: 182 top-level external dependencies (so, without considering nested dependencies) and 1318853 lines of code in Rust. Building efficient agents is doable (I did it myself, github.com/gi-dellav/zerostack), companies just want to tokenmaxx, and as a by-product, produce and publish slop.

It looks like some of that high LoC is because they are vendoring some deps. There readme gives the reason to vendor some but not others as: > These crates sit on the path that renders untrusted model output (diagram source → SVG). Vendoring gives a full audit surface, pins exact source, and avoids crates.io yanks. Local patches and upgrade checklists live in each crate’s Cargo.toml header comments — treat those as t…

Sounds like they did the ol “grok please make this secure” and it slopped out this plausible-if-you-squint nonsense.

Rendering untrusted model output, ooh scary! Of course we want full audit surface!

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by estearum »

this_user wrote: post #223
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…

> This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology

That's too flattering. It's about ego.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by estearum »

embedding-shape wrote: post #222
solumunus wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how will Musk stay a trillionaire without fake AI hype?

> Just be a rocket company

According to SpaceX's own filing documents, you are incorrect. They must be principally an AI company to justify anything close to their current valuation.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by fg137 »

guessmyname wrote: post #150
buremba wrote: post #118

I would recommend using https://pi.dev/ over Grok Build with your xAI subscription at this point

Pi is good in concept, but why couldn’t they choose a compiled language instead of TypeScript?

Does it matter to you as a user, other than the Nodejs/npm requirement?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by verandaguy »

andsoitis wrote: post #227
beams_of_light wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

xAI is no David.

Relative to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google in the AI space? Absolutely.

Nah. They're all rotten to the core, just in different ways.

The key difference between xAI and Anthropic/OAI/Google is that xAI has the least-likely path to existing as viable business in a decade.

That said, the economics of the entire AI industry are kinda made up at this point, so who really knows; it's quite possible that the players with the best odds of surviving the crash are those that can draw funding from their parent company's other businesses.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by tomhow »

lynndotpy wrote: post #155
tomhow wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People post critical things about the most powerful people and companies all the time here and we have zero problem with it. What I'm asking for is for people to not post the most obvious, snarky comment, regardless of the topic/target, not because of who it may “offend” (as if the most powerful people in the world would have any awareness or care about a comment like that on HN), but because it makes HN seem repetit…

For what it's worth, this doesn't read as "snark" to me. There _are_ many direct critiques in this thread about X being caught uploading users home directories, and some are clearly snark. I understand that you read this as a rhetorical question meant as a critique. But it's really not clear to me why this should be read as a snarky, critical, rhetorical question. Someone who eagerly wants to use Grok Build would ask…

I understand reading it as benign and sincere if you're sympathetic to the sentiment. As someone whose job it is to read the comments all day every day, and whose objective is to keep discussions here as intellectually gratifying as possible, it just comes across as unsubstantive at best, and jeering at worst.

The project is open source; if the commenter was sincerely curious about what the software does with a user's code, they could have checked themselves or phrased the question in a way that made it clear they were genuinely interested in finding out.

My reply wasn’t hostile or threatening; just a polite reminder to use HN in a way that’s consistent with its intended spirit.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

kamikazechaser wrote: post #99

It's a shame that they exfiled private data. The model is actually good (better than opus 4.8 imo) and the harness itself is butter smooth with the potential of being the best out there.

This has been my experience as well. In fact, Grok 4.5 is better at visual design than Fable from what I've seen.

And being (based on vibes) 2-3x faster? It's an easy sell to me.

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