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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by cindyllm »

alex1138 wrote: post #142
lovich wrote: post #125

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> I was willing to give him a pass (still am) in a vacuum regarding the Twitter thing given the mass censorship of the old regime (sorry - no, it wasn't acceptable, in any way shape or form)… Why give him the benefit of the doubt when he censors worse than the previous management? Just look at all the grok lobotomies he gave it because he didn’t like how liberal coded the answers it was giving.

I was just trying to say old Twitter had a serious problem but apparently that goes against the hivemind so I accrue mass downvotes despite posting my comment in good faith

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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by [deleted] »

Cider9986 wrote: post #139
ben_w wrote: post #56

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Rank ordered by reputation / caring about having a trustworthy corporate identity: [Google, Anthropic] in either order depending who you ask, OpenAI, most of the Chinese AI corporations, then Grok. This is unfortunate situation to find ourselves in when Grok was also recently at the top of the Pareto frontier for quality/price. Dunno if it still is, this all moves too fast, but it was for at least long enough for me…

For me, the Chinese labs are far and away the most trustworthy.

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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by whimsicalism »

buremba wrote: post #118

I would recommend using https://pi.dev/ over Grok Build with your xAI subscription at this point

why pi over opencode? earnestly curious, trying to figure out what open solution people are consolidating on. (codex is also pseudo-open but contributions closed and nice)

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by spankalee »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #138
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

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Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

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LLMs have nothing to do with any of that.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by lynndotpy »

tomhow wrote: post #106
mattbillenstein wrote: post #51

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Sorta amazes me how people in various levels of power will not say the obvious thing or actively discourage saying the obvious thing because it might offend Elon. Recently all the big bank CEOs involved with the SpaceX IPO - a lot of money in that for them - but a company trading at 100x sales is clearly crazy.

People post critical things about the most powerful people and companies all the time here and we have zero problem with it. What I'm asking for is for people to not post the most obvious, snarky comment, regardless of the topic/target, not because of who it may “offend” (as if the most powerful people in the world would have any awareness or care about a comment like that on HN), but because it makes HN seem repetit…

For what it's worth, this doesn't read as "snark" to me. There _are_ many direct critiques in this thread about X being caught uploading users home directories, and some are clearly snark. I understand that you read this as a rhetorical question meant as a critique.

But it's really not clear to me why this should be read as a snarky, critical, rhetorical question. Someone who eagerly wants to use Grok Build would ask this exact same question.

"Does this [Grok Build] also just directly suck all your code up and make a copy of it on their servers?" is a question that is (1) salient and (2) answerable and (3) could be thoroughly devastating for someone to find out on their own by using it.

The answer is not present in the README, and XAi has blocked Issues and Discussions, so there's none of the usual avenues on GitHub to ask these questions. It seems perfectly typical and expected for someone to ask this question here.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by gidellav »

guessmyname wrote: post #150
buremba wrote: post #118

I would recommend using https://pi.dev/ over Grok Build with your xAI subscription at this point

Pi is good in concept, but why couldn’t they choose a compiled language instead of TypeScript?

Sorry for self-insert, but that's exactly what I thought and I built https://github.com/gi-dellav/zerostack, so you are right I'd say

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by b112 »

ben_w wrote: post #56
blfr wrote: post #29

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Your choice is Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, or the Chinese. Who are the good actors within the space?

Rank ordered by reputation / caring about having a trustworthy corporate identity: [Google, Anthropic] in either order depending who you ask, OpenAI, most of the Chinese AI corporations, then Grok. This is unfortunate situation to find ourselves in when Grok was also recently at the top of the Pareto frontier for quality/price. Dunno if it still is, this all moves too fast, but it was for at least long enough for me…

Google?!?!. From where I sit, Google is just above the Chinese. They've been bad-faith actors for more than a decade, I guess everyone is just so used to it that they ignore it.

I there's anyone I don't trust with AI, it's the worlds #1 company in spying on people, in collection of Pii, in tracking, and many many many times caught literally lying about it.

Google already knows more about everyone on the planet, than any other 10 organizations combined. Frankly, sadly, they're all, well.. scummy, just each in different ways.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by solumunus »

dijit wrote: post #134
bobsomers wrote: post #120

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And for generating an absolutely gargantuan amount of CSAM and non-consensual sexualized images, but yeah, exfiltrating data too.

If I use a shovel to kill a man, the shovel maker did not engage in intentionally crafting a weapon of war. How tools are used are a reflection of the people who use them, and I definitely sympathise that tools should have guardrails to not enable this, or at least detect it. But if a pedophile uses Whatsapp to groom a child; I don't go after Whatsapp for being a neutral service... I go after the pedophile.

If WhatsApp knew their platform was facilitating CSAM, and they were fully within their power to prevent this but chose not to - yes this would rightly draw criticism…

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by tuvix »

guessmyname wrote: post #150
buremba wrote: post #118

I would recommend using https://pi.dev/ over Grok Build with your xAI subscription at this point

Pi is good in concept, but why couldn’t they choose a compiled language instead of TypeScript?

I would imagine the extension system they built would be much more difficult to manage. They could have opted for Lua, though, I suppose.
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