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Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#61

Post by boston_clone »

busterarm wrote: post #53
boston_clone wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Same to you I guess? The world is not a black and white place. Rigorous self-defense is not evil. I chose to be vulnerable and honest knowing what kind of responses I would get and the guidelines of this board call for assuming good faith. It's discourse like yours that is inflaming and ruining our society. I didn't even endorse any specific actions here, I'm just not meeting your moral threshold based on your interp…

make no mistake, it’s mindsets like yours that put us on the path we currently tread.

> I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat […]

being honest and vulnerable about being a shitty person does not beget or earn you any kind of mutual respect. we are simply not the same.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tomrod »

Chance-Device wrote: post #29
tomrod wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be accidentally or willingly misunderstanding the context if that is your takeaway -- no one, neither immigrant nor innocent bystander, should be killed because administrative warrants are being enforced. And ICE doesn't require hundreds of individuals deployed to one place. There simply was never a reason for such a surge. EDIT: to the dead comment below -- your comment doesn't have to meet my appr…

What would you do instead?

Honestly? A few ideas

1. US aid abroad to help stem the conditions that drive many of the migrants to flee their homes. Build up institutions, enforcement, and anti-corruption frameworks so these nations can better build themselves. I'd even be open to hawkish approaches -- frankly it's been surprisingly to see the positive responses to Venezuelan interference by the US.

2. Immigration enforcement needs use-of-force accountability and less lethal approaches. The specific clashes between protesters and ICE come from actions that appear practically designed to encourage confrontation. Agents that kill innocent people should also be held accountable, meaning civil liability reform is necessary.

3. Ensuring we have a shared reality -- hold organizations accountable when they lie or disinform. Example - the majority of immigrants aren't actually criminals, nor are they "stealing jobs" in any coherent way -- studies show that many immigration policies have been net positive on communities. So when Fox News or similar organizations bring up random anti-immigrant commentary, dressed as news instead of entertainment, there really should be consequences for misinforming.

4. Targeted investigations instead of street sweeps. While Kavanaugh stops may be legal, like many enforcement policies over the years they are less effective unless the goal is "enforce stereotypes broadly."

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#63

Post by devindotcom »

grim_io wrote: post #56
rvz wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only when the bank account reaches 7 - 8 figures.

No need to downplay it. There are many for whom it's never enough.

And there are others who left years ago and warned us. Back-patting isn't all or nothing, and I think it's reasonable to praise those who left when they saw the writing on the wall more than those who leave only once they see their company materially supporting state killings.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#64

Post by metalsiliconYT »

Respect for sticking to your beliefs. Just out of curiosity though why do people not want smart AI weapons? I would much rather have an onboard AI that can discriminate between unarmed civilians and military assets, seems irresponsible to not... Is a dumb sea mine that blows up everything somehow better than a smart sea mine that knows to not blow up sometimes?

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#65

Post by tomrod »

fastball wrote: post #28
tomrod wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be accidentally or willingly misunderstanding the context if that is your takeaway -- no one, neither immigrant nor innocent bystander, should be killed because administrative warrants are being enforced. And ICE doesn't require hundreds of individuals deployed to one place. There simply was never a reason for such a surge. EDIT: to the dead comment below -- your comment doesn't have to meet my appr…

Is the idea that with worse technology, DHS will kill fewer people?

Is it binary? I don't think the technology is the core issue, the concern is over the people enforcing and the policies governing their actions -- the technology becomes a flashpoint when the prior two are issues. Scaling bad actions and actors even though the tech itself is neutral.

TFA's point is really getting at that -- who is accountable for scaling bad actions and actors?

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

#66

Post by busterarm »

boston_clone wrote: post #61
busterarm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same to you I guess? The world is not a black and white place. Rigorous self-defense is not evil. I chose to be vulnerable and honest knowing what kind of responses I would get and the guidelines of this board call for assuming good faith. It's discourse like yours that is inflaming and ruining our society. I didn't even endorse any specific actions here, I'm just not meeting your moral threshold based on your interp…

make no mistake, it’s mindsets like yours that put us on the path we currently tread. > I'd go work for the Voldemort companies in a heartbeat […] being honest and vulnerable about being a shitty person does not beget or earn you any kind of mutual respect. we are simply not the same.

> some comment you edited out where you said I'm heartless and spineless.

And I know what it's like to live in a place without adequate law enforcement and/or military.

Personal insults and calling me mentally ill. Are you projecting?

Apparently willingness to work at Palantir or Anduril or other defense contractors makes me irredeemably evil. I'm sure you're real fun at parties.

Tbh, I'm glad though. I'm really great at what I do and have had a long and successful career. We need more hiring filters and I don't want coworkers with deeply skewed perspectives, inadequate objectivity and who cannot coexist with those of different world-views. Self-filtering is the cheapest and best kind.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by amazingamazing »

It is honorable but ultimately hasn’t democracy spoken wrt the issues mentioned in the post?

For better or worse millions of Americans voted for the guy doing the deportations.

I also find it difficult to reconcile not using AI for weapons. If war is inevitable AI presumably would at least ensure you are on target.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by chung8123 »

rvz wrote: post #50
seydor wrote: post #11

Principled people have become so rare

Only when the bank account reaches 7 - 8 figures.

Even at zero dollars and a billion dollars they feel rare. Honestly I am surprised how many tech people still work for Facebooks and Googles of the world when they actively have used their platforms against most of their values. These are skilled people that can still make a living elsewhere.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by Zsfe510asG »

We know now that Google is a sycophantic company whose DEI initiatives were all fake and dropped once Trump got elected.

This somewhat naive initiative was bound to fail. The good news is that the AI military products won't work, except perhaps for blowing up a girls' school.

Here are CEOs falling over themselves to support Hassabis' regulatory capture proposal:

https://xcancel.com/sundarpichai/status/2077086951833063580#...

https://xcancel.com/satyanadella/status/2077063479232795024#...

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2077415601610297535#m

It is an exclusive club and we are not part of it.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by metalsiliconYT »

amazingamazing wrote: post #67

It is honorable but ultimately hasn’t democracy spoken wrt the issues mentioned in the post? For better or worse millions of Americans voted for the guy doing the deportations. I also find it difficult to reconcile not using AI for weapons. If war is inevitable AI presumably would at least ensure you are on target.

Agreed, I feel like the people who say no to AI weapons haven't actually presented a real argument (that I have heard) besides terminator bad
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