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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by yw3410 »

recitedropper wrote: post #32
yw3410 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apologies, but it would be good to add links for your anecdotes. Not all of the readers of your comment have the appropriate context and know what you're talking about. I certainly don't.

Hmm, links for what? My student project? The decisions that face humanity that are pretty clearly modellable as prisoner's dilemmas? Otherwise not sure what I could cite--I would assume most all on this forum know that AI is trained on the works of other people, without their permission to do so. I guess you could disagree with my framing, but I wouldn't think this requires a citation. I think maybe my writing wasn't…

Yes; the student project you were talking about.

It wasn't clear to me it was _your_ project nor who pirated it. I was under the impression it was a well known scandal from your original, unedited comment.

Apologies if my comment sounded hostile; I was just asking for a clarification/more information on it.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tomrod »

mantas wrote: post #30
questionableans wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because the way it’s being done in the US is unnecessarily brutal and arbitrarily discriminates more against people from certain countries.

Vast majority of people against it seem to be against the principle, not against the implementation.

People tend to agree that immigration enforcement can be necessary (except for that pocket of philosophical bohemians that accept that people should be able to flow as free or freer than capital if we are truly free at all). But interestingly, most people feel immigrants that did not enter through legal means should be able to stay in a lot of circumstances!

People almost universally agree that stripping citizenship from naturalized citizens is way too far (no cite here, just recalling a recent read).

[0] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/22/most-amer...

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by boston_clone »

busterarm wrote: post #6
bigyabai wrote: post #2

> Even if Google had adopted your Framework, the Pentagon would have refused > I agree. xAI would still have given over their AI. But if Google had given signs of independence earlier, it could perhaps have built a coalition with OpenAI and Anthropic. This is like saying that Google and Apple might build a coalition to prevent App Store regulation. These are competitors , they all see moral flexibility as an advantag…

On the upside, I guess maybe DeepMind is hiring. ... I'm sure I'll get flamed into oblivion for this but it's weird to me how the zeitgeist is anti-colonialism but also against enforcing borders and national sovereignty. I guess maybe they are okay with it unless you're a western nation. Whatever, there's no room for nuanced opinions anymore in modern online discourse. I'll admit to being a weird outlier on this. I m…

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Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by busterarm »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #26
aew2120 wrote: post #3

tldr: scientist discovers reality

If half of us were half as principled as this guy, the world would be a much better place.

No, they would just walked all over by the 2% who have no principles whatsoever. Kind of like what's happening already.

Principles are only good up until they enable you to be systematically victimized.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by khalic »

bigyabai wrote: post #2

> Even if Google had adopted your Framework, the Pentagon would have refused > I agree. xAI would still have given over their AI. But if Google had given signs of independence earlier, it could perhaps have built a coalition with OpenAI and Anthropic. This is like saying that Google and Apple might build a coalition to prevent App Store regulation. These are competitors , they all see moral flexibility as an advantag…

apple and google are regularly on the same side against eu regulations

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tomrod »

loeg wrote: post #40
tomrod wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be accidentally or willingly misunderstanding the context if that is your takeaway -- no one, neither immigrant nor innocent bystander, should be killed because administrative warrants are being enforced. And ICE doesn't require hundreds of individuals deployed to one place. There simply was never a reason for such a surge. EDIT: to the dead comment below -- your comment doesn't have to meet my appr…

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This is false.

> Good was in her car, stopped sideways in the street, which led Ross to circle her vehicle on foot. Other agents approached, and one ordered her to get out of the car while reaching through her open window. Good briefly reversed, then began moving forward and to the right, into the direction of traffic. At this point, Ross was standing several feet away at the front-left of the vehicle which was turning away, when he fired three shots, killing her.

[0] https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/08/questions-follow-af...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by boston_clone »

andriy_koval wrote: post #34
boston_clone wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your straw man is misrepresenting the scale of violence ICE has inflicted on communities across the country. the article states it was after Alex Pirettis death that he was inspired to act. ICE has killed many people across the country during activities which they have no business conducting. A man in Houston was killed last week, then days later, another in Maine. They’ve shot citizens and fabricated evidence to cov…

> They’ve shot citizens and fabricated evidence to cover up their actions in multiple instances. typical police activity protected by impunity in this country.

i don’t think statements like this help reinforce how serious the situation is; rather, it subtly normalizes it.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by recitedropper »

yw3410 wrote: post #41
recitedropper wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, links for what? My student project? The decisions that face humanity that are pretty clearly modellable as prisoner's dilemmas? Otherwise not sure what I could cite--I would assume most all on this forum know that AI is trained on the works of other people, without their permission to do so. I guess you could disagree with my framing, but I wouldn't think this requires a citation. I think maybe my writing wasn't…

Yes; the student project you were talking about. It wasn't clear to me it was _your_ project nor who pirated it. I was under the impression it was a well known scandal from your original, unedited comment. Apologies if my comment sounded hostile; I was just asking for a clarification/more information on it.

No worries! Thanks for engaging. Fun to have the rare kindly-resolved internet discussion.

Re: Why I Left Google DeepMind

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Post by tomrod »

Chance-Device wrote: post #37
tomrod wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be accidentally or willingly misunderstanding the context if that is your takeaway -- no one, neither immigrant nor innocent bystander, should be killed because administrative warrants are being enforced. And ICE doesn't require hundreds of individuals deployed to one place. There simply was never a reason for such a surge. EDIT: to the dead comment below -- your comment doesn't have to meet my appr…

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Perhaps it would be helpful to understand that people feel it necessary to flag the comment -- I tried to explain it in my parent comment here.
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