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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by SoftTalker »

CircuitSeuss wrote: post #342
SoftTalker wrote: post #205

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Government is demanding age verification because the websites and platforms completely punted on the issue of keeping inappropriate content from children. Yes parents have a role here but we live in a society and we depend on/demand everyone doing their part. We (the tech sector) made our own bed here.

So what you’re saying is… the social media platforms/ tech sector needs to take basic measures to make their platforms less exploitative for all users regardless of age? I’m sold. What sort of incentives do you think would be the most effective motivation for platforms here?

Ideally? Doing the right thing. But that's too much to ask.

Ending section 230 might be a good start. Make platforms responsible for the damages done by whatever they distribute.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by izacus »

literalAardvark wrote: post #420
izacus wrote: post #406

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How would you "use AOSP attestation"? The point is that the signatures are compared against a database of certified builds - and that exists on Google servers. If you want AOSP attestation, you need to build your own database to compare against.

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... It exists on Google's servers for lock in reasons alone.

GrapheneOS guy went on a very extensive rant on Mastodon when someone wanted to create an independent, European, list that could be used by apps to verify attestation. They want apps to hardcode theirs specifically.

Which makes sense for them - after all, that makes their competitors break and their ROM doens't.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by roundabout-host »

izacus wrote: post #422
literalAardvark wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu... It exists on Google's servers for lock in reasons alone.

GrapheneOS guy went on a very extensive rant on Mastodon when someone wanted to create an independent, European, list that could be used by apps to verify attestation. They want apps to hardcode theirs specifically. Which makes sense for them - after all, that makes their competitors break and their ROM doens't.

Even with the "independent European" list, you would still be unable to use a custom OS not in it.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by hnisnotbenign »

____mr____ wrote: post #368
hnisnotbenign wrote: post #305

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We will see how optional it is to not participate in age verification when software used for interfacing with the world (such as bank apps or similar) require you to use age verification. On top of this, barring your children from apps requiring it is just going to socially isolate them from their peers. The fact of the matter is that if we want companies to be accountable for the pedophiles on their platform, they s…

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by roundabout-host »

wobfan wrote: post #401
jasonvorhe wrote: post #248

Don't use it. Don't even consider it. Do whatever it takes to let everyone know you're not gonna use this and tell your friends the same. These corrupt bafoons talk of sovereignty and then they pull stunts like this. Even if you're totally pro EU, vote with your actions if you can't outvote the Commission.

I will try my best, but at some point I feel this won't help. 98% of people have no problem with this. In fact they probably even see this as a positive, finally they don't have to identify via these shitty video services from various call centers anymore, and even the children are perfectly safe now. I am quite pessimistic. They couldn't care less about some 2% of people who just stop using their services.

You are wrong. Maybe 2% aren't OK with it, but 98% of the 2% will still give in to avoid losing their "normality".

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Post by joe_mamba »

vrganj wrote: post #315
joe_mamba wrote: post #311

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You're moving the goalposts from "pushing". It also leaves a bad taste in ones mouth that you brought up his Jewish background unprompted. I do wonder how your account is still active. Every time I see your name, it is in connection with you lowering the quality of conversation by introducing aggressive ad-hominems, dehumanizing language, insults and attempts to derail instead of engagement with points made. This tim…

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by joe_mamba »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #312
vrganj wrote: post #213

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The EU pricks that pushed Chat Control is... American oligarch Ashton Kutcher. https://edri.org/our-work/how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-e...

Why wasn't he laughed out of the room then?

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by joe_mamba »

Chu4eeno wrote: post #404
joe_mamba wrote: post #75

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This is totally not the EU version of China's social credit score system and WeChat SSO system. It will totally not be used to sanction you the moment you become a nuisance to the EU elites by saying "wrong speech" that goes against their mandated doctrine or pointing out their acts of corruption or dismantling of democracy. The EU building in Brussels even has the word "DEMOCRACY" plastered on the front in large bol…

They're already unpersoning left-leaning journalists, look up Hüseyin Doğru.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%BCseyin_Do%C4%9Fru#cite_n...

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=OJ:L_202...

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

izacus wrote: post #363
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #341

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That doesn't appear to be accurate: https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/faq-eu-competences-and... Moreover, it's ignoring the context of the thread. The relevance is obviously that coercing someone to do something against their will and then saying they're still in charge because they're the ones doing it is a sham.

Can you highlight what part of that FAQ doesn't make it accurate? EU directives are a thing.

US federal laws are also a thing. In both cases, they're supposed to be limited to specific categories.

In the EU this appears to be classified into "exclusive", "shared" and "support" "competencies":

> the EU has competence to support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States (article 6 TFEU) – in these areas, the EU may not adopt legally binding acts that require the Member States to harmonise their laws and regulations.

So for example, one of the areas in that category is industry.

The common trick to look out for in cases like that is that when they want to regulate something like "industry" they instead categorize the rules as something else, e.g. the US infamously regulates non-interstate non-commerce as "interstate commerce".

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

izacus wrote: post #364
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #343

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> "The law" requires no such thing It requires age verification and provides code whose development was subsidized by the government, which third parties the user doesn't control will use, that creates a dependency on those platforms. > there's nothing preventing those new OSes form providing proper security signals. A network effect, far from being nothing, is a barrier the height of a mountain. The purpose of attes…

> The purpose of attestation is to lock out competing platforms. It security value is a joke. This is kind of your... opinion man. In reality pretty much all security sensitive applications require attestation from their side.

And what security value does that provide, when millions of attestation-passing devices have public unpatched LPE vulnerabilities? Anyone can get one and run arbitrary code on it as root. It's completely worthless for actual security. Worse, it does the opposite, because a newer third party ROM that patches those vulnerabilities would fail attestation, preventing honest users from updating their device and thereby leaving them vulnerable.

What it does do is require you to get one of those devices instead of a competing device or OS, thereby locking out competitors but not attackers.

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