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Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by Alpha3031 »

scottyah wrote: post #94
grim_io wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a great long-term investment. Starlink would only make sense if the world was not getting more and more concentrated around densely populated areas.

I think it'd be easier for Starlink to start building and deploying wide area ground stations (like 5g towers or something) to serve urban areas than it would take all the other telcos to deploy satellites.

Why in the world would any MNO or WISP choose satellite backhaul for urban areas when their next tower is presumably only a few kilometres over (as opposed to tens of kilometres in more regional areas)?

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by latchkey »

runarberg wrote: post #89
mauvehaus wrote: post #61

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What harm are you worried about coming to in the middle of a national forest that having the internet could possibly save you from? You're in a van, for heaven's sakes. You can roll up the windows, lock the doors, and/or drive off from most dangers save a breakdown or a wildfire, and the internet won't save you from a wildfire. I've tent camped a lot on forest service land (and BLM land) both out west and in the east…

I also don’t get the convenience part. If you are in a national forest, put on your boots, open the door and go for a walk, breathe the fresh air and touch some grass. Why is a low latency high speed internet connection convenient in this setting, you should be happy to be able to send text messages and make phone calls, as I assume you‘ll be spending most of your time enjoying nature or sitting around the campfire.

i'm in a campervan... i can be off-grid for many weeks and i also have a $dayjob.

starlink enables me to get the best of both worlds, which is a huge reason why i love it so much. don't knock it until you try it. =)

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by naturalmovement »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #95
naturalmovement wrote: post #82

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If you're privileged enough to work a six-figure tech job while engaging in a homesteader larp in a "cabin in the woods", you can probably afford the fee. So can "off-grid" YouTuber grifters. It's like everyone feels entitled to something they didn't know existed a few years ago.

People feel entitled to the advertised rate structure. Was there anywhere in the promo material that you might get slapped with $1500 connection fees? If you are not big tech, that’s a lot of money. For the home in the middle of nowhere, $1500 could be more than you would pay in monthly rent. Plenty of rural people without access to good internet were hoping for Starlink to save them from garbage DSL connection optio…

Boo hoo.... these same people were previously faced with $40,000 connection fees for Comcast and Verizon to trench a cable 1/2 mile to their property so $1500 seems like a pittance.

Look, friends of mine did this, they bought a country place so they can live the dream and write software in the sticks.

Next thing you know they're drilling new wells and installing a generator to support the fantasy while the bills pile up. When you bring modern conveniences to rural life it costs money.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by khurs »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #90
khurs wrote: post #74

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Will be interesting to see if Elon regrets only floating 4% [0] of the company at the IPO and not more seeing as it was over subscribed. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-ipo-spcx-stock-free-f...

You missing the point...the 4% that is what caused the artificial scarcity.

Slightly over subscribed would say yes, but vastly over subscribed indicates they went too low?

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by kamranjon »

esseph wrote: post #19
kamranjon wrote: post #16

I am traveling in Europe currently and got a Saily SIM card - 5g coverage is really good and seems to be expanding fast - a small village I visited 2 years ago that had no cell coverage at all I was getting 250mbps download, faster than than the wired internet at most of the places I was visiting. This prompted me to actually look into Starlink speeds and apparently 5g is generally faster than Starlink... This made m…

> but it seems it's just for folks in super remote areas at this point? TBF that's like 70% of the US, large parts of the Southern Hemisphere in general, much of China, India, Russia, etc. But yes, StarLink is best when it has some user density but not too much user density. It will be this way until... probably forever. If I go camping? StarLink. Otherwise no cell/internet service.

70% seems a little extreme? Here is a helpful mobile coverage map: https://www.fcc.gov/BroadbandData/MobileMaps/mobile-map

A few years ago I actually traveled all around the US and worked remotely with a 4g unlimited data sim card and was pretty amazed at the coverage, only very few places was I left without coverage. I'm guessing it's even better now?

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Post by ben_w »

naturalmovement wrote: post #96
Cyberdogs7 wrote: post #91

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So we should let companies do what ever anti-consumer practices they want, because you don't like the group they are doing it to? Should a car company be allowed to charge you an extra fee every time you have a passenger?

If you need a specialized amphibious vehicle to get to your shack in the woods, it's not anti-consumer if it costs you more than a Mitsubishi Mirage.

A few days ago people were telling me the Starlink was brilliant because it gave small African villages with no mains electricity an internet connection to share.

This kind of behaviour does rather dampen the value proposition for such people.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by [deleted] »

khurs wrote: post #74
jerlam wrote: post #70

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SpaceX stock has also dropped below their IPO price. It doesn't change their current financials but it may make it more difficult to raise money in the future.

Will be interesting to see if Elon regrets only floating 4% [0] of the company at the IPO and not more seeing as it was over subscribed. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-ipo-spcx-stock-free-f...

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Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by bakies »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #38
croes wrote: post #20

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Even if invented, what is the advantage of orbit data centers?

The best I have heard: It makes you fully independent of the terrestrial energy grid. There is also some nebulous freedom from governmental authority possibilities. Both of which strike me as poor arguments. We are in a short term energy crunch. I expect within five years that most of the energy problems will be resolved and the eye watering financials of launching a GPU into space will look absurd Governments also d…

if you launch enough solar panels to power the data center into space, its easier to put them on the ground. Yeah there's some less power, but also have six times the lifespan so just build twice as many and it's still more efficient. Getting land in Texas can't be that hard.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by palmotea »

delichon wrote: post #15

At the other end they recently doubled the cost of the Starlink Mini standby plan, from $60 to $120 per year.

> At the other end they recently doubled the cost of the Starlink Mini standby plan, from $60 to $120 per year.

I kinda wanted to get one of those for standby, but the price seemed too good to be true, so I figured they'd either eliminate it or raise the price.

Re: Starlink unlimited aviation plan to rise from $10k/month to $20k

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Post by hughes »

There is a nuance missed in the discussion so far - Starlink is creating a new product level, differentiating service between continental and intercontinental aviation connectivity. Previously these were a single category.

If you are operating in North America for example, your service is going from $10k to $12.5k. Still a 25% increase, which is not fun, but I think a lot of the customers affected by this will fit into this category. You only need the $20k plan if your aircraft travels between their roughly-continental regions.

Nicholas Air, quoted in the article, appears to have no need for the $20k plan and should not use it.

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