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House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by dang »

derdi wrote: post #75
al_borland wrote: post #21

I think saying on one time is better than switching back and forth, but we should really stick to Standard time. I know people like it to be light out later in the evenings, but they tried this before in the 1970s and it didn't last long[0]. It turns out not only do people not like it to be dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. Looking at sunrise and sunset times[1], people…

> dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. This is such bullshit. What is unsafe for kids is human drivers driving their death machines into kids . The solution is not messing with clocks. The solution is convincing human drivers that they should not drive their death machines into kids. You are presumably based in some location where "standard time" has year-round daylight ar…

Could you please omit swipes like "this is such bullshit" and flamebait like "driving their death machines into kids"? These things are against the site guidelines because they poison the kind of discussion we're trying for here.

You're welcome to make your substantive points thoughtfully, of course.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by maxerickson »

kgwxd wrote: post #41
bitshiftfaced wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I'm reading, it was a big factor that children were walking to school in the dark. One stat I read was that since that time the percentage of kids walking/cycling to school went from almost 50% to now 10%. Maybe that could make the difference this time around.

They still have to walk to the bus stop.

Buses here go door to door. Or almost anyway. I guess it's because the school age population has declined.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by derdi »

dang wrote: post #81
derdi wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. This is such bullshit. What is unsafe for kids is human drivers driving their death machines into kids . The solution is not messing with clocks. The solution is convincing human drivers that they should not drive their death machines into kids. You are presumably based in some location where "standard time" has year-round daylight ar…

Could you please omit swipes like "this is such bullshit" and flamebait like "driving their death machines into kids"? These things are against the site guidelines because they poison the kind of discussion we're trying for here. You're welcome to make your substantive points thoughtfully, of course. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the…

Fair.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by EGG_CREAM »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #50
EGG_CREAM wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sun would come up even earlier without dst. It’s just the earth’s tilt that’s causing the sun to come up earlier after spring, nothing we did to the clocks.

So what you're saying is I have it backward. In the summer, without DST, the sun would rise like an hour earlier than with DST. Is that correct?

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Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by lr1970 »

al_borland wrote: post #21

I think saying on one time is better than switching back and forth, but we should really stick to Standard time. I know people like it to be light out later in the evenings, but they tried this before in the 1970s and it didn't last long[0]. It turns out not only do people not like it to be dark late into the morning, but it also makes it unsafe for kids going to school. Looking at sunrise and sunset times[1], people…

> but we should really stick to Standard time.

There are some arguments to stick with "half-way" time -- 30 minutes in the middle between standard and summer time. It does not necessarily solves all the problems but makes a reasonable compromise with farmers who want standard time and many others who prefer summer time.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by mizzao »

christophilus wrote: post #77
matthewowen wrote: post #57

This is a bad change. I think it’s bad for kids to have to walk to school before sunrise. Fundamentally it is useful to have more sunlight later in the evenings in the summer. It’s also useful to have sunlight early enough in the morning for conventional “start of day” times. Changing the clocks meets these. Yes, time is arbitrary and throughout the year we could collectively change the times we do things at to bette…

There are plenty of northern climate countries that get by just fine without DST. Also, if it’s genuinely a problem in a specific location for some reason, that specific location can just say, “Let’s all start work at 9 rather than 8 for the winter months” rather than impose an absolutely absurd song and dance on the entire time zone.

Or we can just start school later because kids no longer need to leave at 2:30 to go help on the farm.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by pmontra »

christophilus wrote: post #77
matthewowen wrote: post #57

This is a bad change. I think it’s bad for kids to have to walk to school before sunrise. Fundamentally it is useful to have more sunlight later in the evenings in the summer. It’s also useful to have sunlight early enough in the morning for conventional “start of day” times. Changing the clocks meets these. Yes, time is arbitrary and throughout the year we could collectively change the times we do things at to bette…

There are plenty of northern climate countries that get by just fine without DST. Also, if it’s genuinely a problem in a specific location for some reason, that specific location can just say, “Let’s all start work at 9 rather than 8 for the winter months” rather than impose an absolutely absurd song and dance on the entire time zone.

Northern countries have a lot of light in summer and a lot of darkness in winter anyway. I saw the Sun setting at 23:00 in Iceland at the end of June and rising at 02:00 and pitch black in Denmark at 15:30 in December. What can DST change there?

On the other side, equatorial countries have about the same sunset and dawn all year long. Again, DST is useless.

Where DST is useful is in a place like the one I'm living at, at 45 degrees North. I'd go with permanent DST plus an extra DST in summer. Basically it's what Spain have been doing for almost a century.

It's cloudy and still reasonably bright outside here. It will be dark past 22:00. I'd take an extra hour of light in the evening and darkness until 6:00 in the morning. It matches the time people goes to sleep and wake up here.

Re: House passes bill to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

marssaxman wrote: post #14

I'm glad we're agreed that changing the clocks twice a year is a bad idea, but I don't understand why we should abandon Daylight Savings Time by adopting it permanently. What's so wrong with Standard Time? Oh, well: whether we put the clocks back or leave them permanently off-by-one, either is better than changing them around over and over.

Why do you think it's a bad idea ?

What's the downside other than having to take a minute to update your microwave clock twice a year ?!

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