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Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by baggy_trough »

shimman wrote: post #480
wcedmisten wrote: post #337

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I don't get how people can listen to and share AI generated "music" and not feel legitimately embarrassed to their core. Like the AI Charlie Kirk song, but unironically. I'm truly baffled how anyone can enjoy it. > If I was very talented and had the time, I could have written the lyrics and recorded the song myself (which undoubtedly would be even more awesome), but I can’t do this. I promise you that any art you pro…

You have to remember that the vast majority of tech workers have open disdain towards humans and share zero solidarity with their fellow workers. Just look at the leadership of tech workers, some of the most deeply anti-human and anti-democratic people on the planet. Not hard to see how these terrible people rub off of their workers.

Astonishing bigotry.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by Otterly99 »

nsxwolf wrote: post #8

Having a very dangerous AI standoff at work, where people are debating wether or not to use a particular connection pooling / threading strategy to fix a production issue, and everyone is unqualified to answer and is instead arguing what their agent said. They are just straight up admitting they don't know anything, and advocate fiercely for their agent's recommendation. No one cares, no one tries to stop this behavi…

I am curious thought. If nobody is qualified to answer, how would your team have approached the problem without any AI?

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by Revisional_Sin »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #340
jvanderbot wrote: post #266

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The earring doesn't make you feel better, it actually produces a better result. It's never wrong. You might regret addiction, for example? Also, it's a parable. Take it too literally and it loses its charm.

> It always tells you what will make you happiest. If it would make you happiest to succeed at your work, it will tell you how best to complete it. If it would make you happiest to do a half-assed job at your work and then go home and spend the rest of the day in bed having vague sexual fantasies, the earring will tell you to do that. The earring is never wrong. It just has to be this in the story because it doesn't…

You're getting too hung up on the word "happiness". The earring gives you good advice. Good according to whom? According to you. It helps you succeed at your goals and live a fulfilling life.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by MisterTea »

rmunn wrote: post #418
MisterTea wrote: post #381

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> If you knew how the modern music industry and ... This just assumes I'm listening to mainstream music or whatever when I mostly buy grungy metal and whatever else I enjoy off Bandcamp. Many times, directly supporting the artist. > ... local diners work, you might not be so impressed. I already stated the homemade gyro platter and they're mozzarella sticks w/sauce are slammin and they are proud of it. Sure it's busi…

I love gyros; you're making me want to go visit that diner. Do you mind revealing its name and the city it's in? (If you don't want to because that would reveal too much about your own location, I understand perfectly well and have no objections). Odds are I'm nowhere close to it, but sometimes my job takes me to unexpected locations, so I'm always happy to have a list like "If you're ever in Topeka, Kansas, check ou…

Esquire Diner in Ozone Park NYC. They're struggling so I hope they stay open and the quality remains. So far, so good.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by MisterTea »

EagnaIonat wrote: post #426
MisterTea wrote: post #389

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> You're simply drawing the line where it suits you. I'm drawing the line where the human effort is no longer there. There was a similar argument against electronic music. No effort because no instrument is played. But the fact is the instrument just changed shape, drastically. Like there's an artist I am sure a few here would be familiar with: Master Boot Record, a video game heavy metal electronic blend fully compo…

> It's just a really good illusion from a well tuned stochastic parrot. The stochastic parrot claim is long gone. Someone with actual skill in their respective field can create something new and original from current AI systems. The real danger is that creative/intelligent people are giving up those abilities and letting the AI do it for them.

> The stochastic parrot claim is long gone.

That's just marketing.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by parl_match »

jagenabler2 wrote: post #415
wincy wrote: post #198

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I use AI to make songs and pictures for my friends. I barely even listen to music that I didn’t have a hand in making. It’s my favorite genre by far. My kids too. Personalized studio quality songs all day, every day. I suddenly have the power and time to make things I enjoy. I think there’s going to be a hollowing out that’s going to happen where we might not have another Michael Jackson or Taylor Swift or famous mus…

you should really consider trying things that don't exactly fit your ideals. Listen to music you don't think you'll like, or watch a movie that you've never heard of. You find threads that you do like and learn to understand the parts you don't. Discomfort and friction is how we grow as people, it's how we gain perspective, and how our interests evolve. Otherwise, if you're going to keep consuming the exact slop cont…

> you're going to stagnate as a person

He's bragging about that, even. It's really grim.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by parl_match »

dmarcos wrote: post #162
parl_match wrote: post #106

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> If a human writes a novel, it's inherently worth more because it's hard-earned and anchored to experiences we share. I want to support that I'd extend on this as well: the process of creating changes you. In a technical sense, where you approach a problem and the way you solve that problem informs you. Both your problem solving skills, creative skills, but also even understanding how a compromise works. This is why…

I mostly agree with you but, how do you square the use of other types of automation that are not AI? e.g computer animation vs hand-drawn, CAD software for engineering and architecture… Are those lesser art forms or we’re just used to them?

I don't have enough experience in those fields to really firm up a judgement from my perspective.

The act of creation not just creates, it informs you. For example, when placing a wall with CAD for architecture, maybe you realize that some walls on an non-level roof have visually unappealing or difficult wall/roof joints. And then you consider that for future designs? Or you pause and think further about how a person interacts with that room. You can see how the act of creation delivered meaningful feedback to you, as a person.

IDK that's just an example I could come up with, you should really ask an architect or ID guy

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by beepbooptheory »

Revisional_Sin wrote: post #483
beepbooptheory wrote: post #340

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> It always tells you what will make you happiest. If it would make you happiest to succeed at your work, it will tell you how best to complete it. If it would make you happiest to do a half-assed job at your work and then go home and spend the rest of the day in bed having vague sexual fantasies, the earring will tell you to do that. The earring is never wrong. It just has to be this in the story because it doesn't…

You're getting too hung up on the word "happiness". The earring gives you good advice. Good according to whom? According to you. It helps you succeed at your goals and live a fulfilling life.

This doesn't make sense with the story. If it's good advice according to you, why do you need it at all? Doesn't it provide you something that you otherwise don't have?

Maybe I am just not smart enough for this.. What is the parable supposed to be about? What are we supposed to learn from it?

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Post by gretch »

kakacik wrote: post #446
gretch wrote: post #384

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I definitely retain it. In the case of the gardening - I pretty much immediately go outside and practice it. In other words, how I get the info doesn’t matter (book, video, llm) because I’m locking in the skill by doing the thing in the garden. And sometimes it is kinda wrong/suboptimal, but not more than e.g. asking a friend for gardening tips. Usually this is based on lack of context, like eg im growing cherry toma…

I dont think you are getting the topic - sure if knowledge gleamed from llms is immediately practiced repeatedly, it stays, why would anybody question that. Now add 30 or 50 or 100 other topics you dip into on any given day. No way in hell you do same technique of repetition till you learn it. This is gist of problem to me. Most students these days fall into this category and the amount of time/energy to properly lea…

> Now add 30 or 50 or 100 other topics you dip into on any given day.

In a world without YouTube/LLMs, you weren't going to learn these things anyway. Today, you also don't learn them. So how can you argue that something is lost?

> the amount of time/energy to properly learn something has stayed the same or even increased

The whole point of my post is that LLMs, YouTube, and other internet resources which are easy to access have lowered activation energy to where learning something is at least possible.

I can tell you for sure I would never even try to learn a second language if I had to go to a class physically, or carry a book with me in my pocket to translate as I traverse the real world.

Re: Are we offloading too much of our thinking to AI?

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Post by Ciph »

evolve-maz wrote: post #336
ofjcihen wrote: post #2

I know that the common refrain is “think of yourself as a manager now” but I’ve actually taken the opposite approach and have been telling anyone I train the same. Diving deeper into technical understanding makes more sense to me at this point both as a way to make yourself more useful in the age of AI and also to use AI more effectively. I regularly tell the kids to grab a text book on a subject that interests them…

I've been a manager for some years. Without sounding too up myself, what made me good at management was the fact that I knew how to do the things I asked people to do. It allowed me to critically evaluate the work, set realistic timelines, and champion the contributions up the chain. I also maintained the ability to perform this work (by design and happenstance sometimes, since we could be understaffed due to sicknes…

There's two huge aspects of management that gets diluted when it's compared to "managing" an LLM: - labor laws. You need to know those in the country where the employee has their contract, because this will restrict what you can (and must) do in your managerial role - Empathy. Managing humans is extremely messy and requires a ton of EQ to do well (parents have first-hand experience of this).

So, i.e: comparing being a manager to real humans vs instructing a next-token generator dilutes the skill of being a good manager and leader.

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