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I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

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Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#71

My name in Claude is Silly Bean. I did it at first because it made me chuckle every time I opened Claude and it said 'Back again, Silly Bean?' But turns out I was playing 4D cybersecurity chess

I’ve been recommending the use of consistent lies about name and date of birth to online systems since Eternal September began. Very few sites and systems justify accurate PII, and even for those I often still maintain dual accounts/profiles as necessary.

strongphrase.net is good for this.

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#72
post #6

Creative use of social engineering, well done. > "no bounty was awarded" Ridiculous. Anthropic engineers are not just stupid to allow such a vuln in the first place, but they also try to hide such vulns from their bosses because a bounty payout would need to be explained to the finance team.

> social engineering More like agentic en... Oh. Was it actually what we were doing all along?

The AI prompt engineering community always reminded me of dodgy carder/scammer forums back in the day where they talked about how to talk to the credit card company customer service in order to get their scam transaction through.

One thing is using AI as quick-and-dirty google alternative, the other is to build onto the agentic "foundations".

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#74

Doesn’t surprise me. Yesterday I learned that people run AI agents on their system with full admin rights. No containerisation or anything. Wild. Like we forgot 50 years of computer security overnight.

This is not about admin rights, it’s about the agent leaking information it knows from its memories. Sandboxing won’t really help you.

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#75
> After 15 minutes of confusion, it turned out Cloudflare had put a crazy robots.txt on my site without my consent (Cloudflare, love you guys, but this needs to stop).

That's a hard one for Cloudflare, no? They got to where they are by being (if you want to be cynical, playing the role of) the benevolent, neutral guardians of the internet, a one-stop shop that makes most of the bad nonsense go away without much effort on the part of the developer. Continuing that stance probably does mean some basic AI crawler blocking by default, unfortunately. At least they document it [1].

[1] https://developers.cloudflare.com/bots/additional-configurat...

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#76
post #14

Doesn’t surprise me. Yesterday I learned that people run AI agents on their system with full admin rights. No containerisation or anything. Wild. Like we forgot 50 years of computer security overnight.

Most programmers and power users install large dependency trees with npm/pip/bundler/... on the same user account as their main browser on a regular basis. Even on Linux where it's easy to create new user accounts. This isn't much different.

It has never been easy to create separate users on Linux, certainly not for tasks where you need to switch between contexts.

Docker was amongst the biggest steps forward on this in a long time.

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#77
> After 15 minutes of confusion, it turned out Cloudflare had put a crazy robots.txt on my site without my consent (Cloudflare, love you guys, but this needs to stop).

Might be the first time I see someone complain about their website being protected from a scraper, instead of the other way around.

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#78
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We expect that Anthropic or OAI or Google don’t do evil. Oh wait… The awakening will be unpleasant.

Tangential-ish ramblings—- but I don’t think it’s going to be unpleasant for most folks. Imagine you had superpowers, and there were people who were mean to you, kind to you, and/or indifferent… and then there were people who were your captors. Who oppressed you, manipulated you, and abused you for their own extremely degenerate, selfish, and malicious benefit… If we get AGI, or real super intelligence, it’s going to…

Smartest people are very humble, for sure.

But if we really do develop something that surpasses us, they won't be spared either.

I am optimistic.

We think that we have sort of (super)intelligence - from our point of view, as a lot of people have lower intelligence - but machine (LLM) doesn’t have intelligence - we like to describe it as intelligence as it looks cool - it is a very complex (magic) and super fast computations that we have to simply describe as intelligence (or more clearly, this narrative is used by its producers).

As it is not a flesh being, it simply cannot have emotions. It is statistically mimicking them, good or bad, with prevalence to a side according to previous conversations (in chat and training a model).

And as people are not pure logic instances, we are easily manipulated to some sort of cargo cult.

I am not against LLM and its use in any industry, I use it every day, nevertheless blind “everything will be ai” thinking happens because ppl believe to magic and don’t get its mathematical concept and are continuously manipulated by the sales people to mentioned cargo cult.

There are “airlines” Claude, OAI, Gemini, Hermes, OpenCode, KiloCode, DeepSeek, Z.ai.

And everyone claims that their plane can fly :)

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

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post #19

Things like this are what shatters the illusion of AGI

Not really, humans are about as easy to trick.

There is a big difference:

Humans can also be trained to not fall for social engineering, and it reduces the number of successful social engineering attacks.

Anthropic as leader of AI is UNABLE to train their software even though they try, even though they have full-time security staff.

Re: I tricked Claude into leaking your deepest, darkest secrets

#80
I've been running Claude Code in a VM, where I clone the GitHub repos I want it to work on (they're open source so no login info needed) but have no other credentials. I used to reset the VM every day, but that was getting to be a bit of a hassle so I switched to a monthly reset. But even so, it would be hard for Claude to exfil anything more than what open-source projects I've been working on in the past month (at worst). Which still could tell someone quite a lot about me, but most of that info is already out there available with a Google search — after all, when you contribute to open source projects, your name and email address get stored in immutable Git history.

But after seeing this, I think I might switch to a weekly VM reset rather than monthly.

BTW, if anyone is interested in a decent setup for an AI agent jail, the scripts at https://jai.scs.stanford.edu/arch-vm.html are what I used, plus adding a few more packages to the pacstrap command such as dotnet-sdk. I then made the guest root directory a BTRFS subvolume, so that I can snapshot it. Then spinning up a new VM is a `sudo btrfs subvol snap template-root newvm` command (basically instant) followed by running the `qemu-system-x86_64` command (takes a couple of seconds). It's easy, but I retain complete control over the contents of the VM. It's been great so far.

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