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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

> hen I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize its an LLM. Because it just feels lazy. It triggers my "If you couldn't be bothered to write it, why do you expect me to spend my time reading it" allergy.

Let's turn this around.

I don't use any paid AI or any agents. I just use some of their free interactive question answering interfaces.

There have been some times where I've been doing a project in a language or environment that I do not use a lot, and maybe need to use language or environment features I've never had occasion to learn.

I don't ask AI to write it for me, or even to write any particular functions. I might ask it some syntax questions, or what data structure in the language's standard library is usually used for a particular task. Mostly I use it as an interactive manual that is really good at generating examples if I need clarification on how something works.

If you were working on a similar project and posted asking questions about it, there is a decent chance I could write a useful answer for you.

Suppose the questions would have fairly involved answers, and it might take me 30 minutes to write up something entirely in my own words. That is still going to include knowledge that I got from the AI when I questioned it earlier.

I could also cover the same points, except for parts of it where what I'd be saying is mostly just writing in my own words what the AI taught me (and which I verified is correct before using), so might have to only spend about 4 minutes writing original material, and another minute doing some selected copy/paste from the AI (maybe with some editing).

That 5 minute answer would be exactly as useful in answering your questions as the 30 minute answer.

I don't know you. I have no reason to try to help you other than a general "it is nice to help people" thing.

If you can't be bothered to read it because I didn't spend 500% more time than was necessary to fully answer your questions (time that benefits me in no way whatsoever), why should I bother answering at all?

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

#533

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> anyway, the other way is I found it's helpful when prompting LLMs to use the same "it's not delivery, it's DiGiorno's" pattern that they're all so obsessed with. especially when the thing's misapprehended some concept, so you need to clarify 1. Dying laughing at “ it's not delivery, it's DiGiorno's" 2. They do it because it’s succinct, and unambiguous.

It’s not contrived, it’s succinct.

We should be the last community (technical documentation, engineers) complaining about careful planning and precision behind synthesis of textual communication.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

#534

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Yes, I had a related experience of reading a book and observing what I thought were claude-isms, only to realize it was written in 2019. Some of the common tells are actually good writing practices, but I guess they are best in smaller doses.

This is exactly why humans invented the idea of things going in and out of style.

It is one thing to be labelled as "old fashioned" but entirely another to be labelled as an LLM.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

#535

Lots of people have their own voice and tend to prefer certain phrases. This has been the case for a long time and is generally not a big issue. Now LLMs come along and they also have their own phrasing preferences. But now it's a problem because what used to be personal preferences of a single person that manifests in 5000 words per day from one person tops, is now the bias of a single model multiplied x10,000,000,0…

> AI is a bad writer, but […] Let’s say they finally fixed the machine so it was really good, so its default setting was to write exactly like VS Naipaul. The result would be a world in which you’re constantly confronted by cold emails from VS Naipaul, bubbly magazine articles by VS Naipaul, signs in shop windows in which VS Naipaul tells you about the new opening hours, strangely flaccid sexts VS Naipaul ghostwrote for someone on Feeld, and websites in which VS Naipaul fails to say anything in particular about grilled meats. This would not be an improvement; it might even be worse. Any world in which there is only one literary voice, blanketing everything in the exact same tone, is a nightmare.

(From https://samkriss.substack.com/p/if-you-let-ai-do-your-writin...)

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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I notice there's a whole tech bro speak it gets into anytime it approaches web related tasks around auth, to the point where it stops using complete sentences, making them ambiguous and borderline nonsense. I have to periodically tell it "Speak professionally and use complete sentences." so I can understand what it's even saying. I've even pasted the output to another session to see if it was me, but Claude can't eve…

I have added a skill to make Opus 4.8 use Opus 4 6 to translate its answers into teadable English, sine it had much higher quality prose. Im seriously considering switching from Claude 20x to Codex because I just cant read more of of Opus or Fable's walls of text

I stopped reading Claude's ridiculous distracting nonsense walls of text months ago. Honestly, I prefer Codex being boring and basically ignoring any human utterances I make which are unrelated the work to be done.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

#537

I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

In my professional life, I've been told that documents I wrote in 2016 sound like they were written by AI. I put significant work into getting my message across clearly and then to have it dismissed was rough.

I no longer put a lot of effort into ensuring documents feel right when writing them.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

#539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

The one Claudism I will never ever use is "synthesize". I don't even know where that came from - no one talks or writes like that - "I can synthesize that for you".

I use “synthesize” so often! I tell students to analyze published articles and then synthesize the findings. I didn’t know this is now a tell for AI writing
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