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How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

If this hook can feed back text to the model, you can do some pretty interesting things.

Say the model emits some banned phrase or concept, you could redirect it - "no, we don't work that way here, do it properly" - potentially automating the frustration of interacting with these tools.

After all it's just a text stream!

It's not too dissimilar from a stop hook that runs tests and feeds that back to the model forcing it to keep working until tests pass.

Using tooling to get a deterministic outcome.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by redsparrow »

Some of my greatest joys in life have come from putting string replacement plugins on other people's browsers. I mostly just applied it to news sites.

s/big/super massive/g s/cardiac arrest/cataclysmic diarrhea/g

I mean, it's really endlessly entertaining. I'm wiping away tears just thinking about it.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by sebastiennight »

sublinear wrote: post #321
sebastiennight wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a wild argument. If I use the word "semantic", do you have a concept of what it means? If so, can you please share which of your senses have shaped the world experience that inform this concept? What have you smelled, tasted, caressed, that informed this concept outside of words? If I make up the word "polysemantic", do you need to recall a personal experience of polyamory to understand it, or could you possi…

Yes, but are you claiming that LLMs perform more specific acts of cognition beyond organizing information?

I'm puzzled by this question.

Does the material universe perform any other acts than organizing information?

I feel like you're trying to make me argue a position I'm not defending here.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by ClikeX »

doctoboggan wrote: post #309

I do not mind when I am coding with Claude and it uses all the typical claudisms. I am much more bothered when I am reading a blog post, email, or other form of prose and I see those same claudisms. I guess they are not annoying since I know I am talking to an LLM and expect the typical responses. When I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize…

> hen I am reading prose online that I previously would have expected a human to write, it can be quite jarring to realize its an LLM.

Because it just feels lazy. It triggers my "If you couldn't be bothered to write it, why do you expect me to spend my time reading it" allergy.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by phs318u »

greedo wrote: post #390
rpdillon wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

I wrote a thank you message on Teams to my coworkers on a project, and half of them thought I had used AI to write it. As a professional writer in a previous life, I was astonished. Then they told me that they had never seen me write anything more than a sentence or two so naturally they assumed something relatively polished had to be AI assisted.

Though I haven’t been a professional writer, I’ve been a good writer with an expansive vocabulary since high school where English was my best subject despite being a STEM maven. I hate the fact that what was previously considered an advantageous skill is now a millstone in public use. I hate having to dumb down and self—censor in order to avoid being accused of using (or being) an LLM. Even though my writing has a few repeated personal tells - certain linguistic errors that I nevertheless employ as part of my idiom (and an LLM never would) - people don’t always notice them. So, I’m forced to change my voice to deal with what’s essentially an IRL Captcha.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by sebastiennight »

visarga wrote: post #352
AlexandrB wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can their internal representation represent "concepts" when the training data is all words? There's no possible experience of the world there. No input other than a bunch of imperfect labels we created for stuff.

> There's no possible experience of the world there. No input other than a bunch of imperfect labels we created for stuff. The brain too sits locked inside a bone box and only gets a bundle of unlabeled nerves connecting it to the outside. How can the brain could possibly experience anything, it only sees patters and patterns of patterns never the real thing?

> a bundle of unlabeled nerves connecting it to the outside

As a species, we do need to up our cable management skills. We're likely not getting augmented humans until we get there.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by robotresearcher »

sublinear wrote: post #321
sebastiennight wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a wild argument. If I use the word "semantic", do you have a concept of what it means? If so, can you please share which of your senses have shaped the world experience that inform this concept? What have you smelled, tasted, caressed, that informed this concept outside of words? If I make up the word "polysemantic", do you need to recall a personal experience of polyamory to understand it, or could you possi…

Yes, but are you claiming that LLMs perform more specific acts of cognition beyond organizing information?

What does 'organizing information' exclude?

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by mjheying »

rdtsc wrote: post #296
infogulch wrote: post #202

Lots of people have their own voice and tend to prefer certain phrases. This has been the case for a long time and is generally not a big issue. Now LLMs come along and they also have their own phrasing preferences. But now it's a problem because what used to be personal preferences of a single person that manifests in 5000 words per day from one person tops, is now the bias of a single model multiplied x10,000,000,0…

> But now it's a problem because what used to be personal preferences of a single person that manifests in 5000 words per day from one person tops, is now the bias of a single model multiplied x10,000,000,000 generated tokens per day so any bias sticks out like a sore thumb. I am more pessimistic than that. Soon enough even people will start talking like LLMs. After listening to 5000 words per day, especially growing…

Good question — and the honest answer starts with one big caveat.

Re: How to stop Claude from saying load-bearing

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Post by mohamedkoubaa »

cafebeen wrote: post #359
rpdillon wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't use Claude for a long time, but my coworkers did, so I got infected through a side channel: I ended up reading their vibed docs, noticed "load-bearing", kind of liked it, and started using it in conversation, until I got feedback that I was "talking like Claude", so now I avoid the phrase entirely. The intersection of language and social norms is interesting.

Yes, I had a related experience of reading a book and observing what I thought were claude-isms, only to realize it was written in 2019. Some of the common tells are actually good writing practices, but I guess they are best in smaller doses.

This is exactly why humans invented the idea of things going in and out of style.
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