The premise is "Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), a system that exhibits all the cognitive capabilities the brain has, is probably only a few short years away". If this is true, establishing an institution to ensure things like "publishing model cards with technical details, maintaining strong internal cybersecurity, vetting key personnel, and providing sufficient resourcing for safety and security research" is…
> There's also a need to consider the rights that this new intelligence should have. Only after we establish and guarantee the rights of humans and the rest of the natural world. The rights of machines, however "intelligent", come only after that.
Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Food production is indeed a solved problem in most countries (we are almost post-scarcity when it comes to food), which is why obesity is a much bigger issue than hunger today. Hunger is present pretty much only in conflict zones. I fully expect such issues in conflict zones, even in AI post-scarcity world. Housing is definitely not post-scarcity today, building a house is still very expensive, not to mention the lim…
> which is why obesity is a much bigger issue than hunger today Obesity is much more related to the type of food than the quantity. Many developing countries have obesity issues due to scarcity of fresh and healthy food. In some places coca cola is cheaper and / or more available than drinking water.
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#183I do wonder what type of AI some of these leaders expect to be able to harness. If you create something that is true AI, won’t it be smarter than you to a level you cannot fathom. I was thinking of this idea/though-experiment (which I know is ridiculous) of what if dogs created humans thinking they could control them, and then just wound up being pets because their survival now depended on that new hierarchy that pre…
You can easily change this to:
>what if humans created corporations thinking they could control them, and then just wound up being slaves to capital because their survival now depended on that new hierarchy that previously didn’t exist.
We have already lost control of our world along time ago. No one is immune to being fired by the board with the justification being a hand wave towards business efficiency. All the structure is already in place for AGI to dominate our planet and cut ourselves out entirely from any and every process there is. We already do it to eachother without any second thought. Why should AGI ever hesitate to lay off everyone in the town/city/state? Our human bosses don't hesitate on that sort of thing. The corporate world already lacks empathy and is notoriously cut throat and cold. We expect AGI to suddenly be empathetic and altruistic?
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, this is the crux of the idiocy of AGI development. All the labs admit they don't have any real mechanistic interpretability, they don't really have any plan for what to do, except "we think the smart AI will figure it out" and "look we're in a race, we're calling on governments to figure out what to do". All indicators show scaling laws holding and the trajectory of capabilities development outpacing any inkling…
The real risk of AI is: risk of global recession if they turned out unprofitable, risk of them propping up fascist movements Thiel and Musk love so much, risk to environment, risk to mental health of people who have to listen to constant doom trolling. The thing they actively wish to achieve and openly sell to CEO is the rest of people being unemployable and suffering. Especially artists for some reason, they really…
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Food is allocated using a variety of mechanisms in peaceful first world countries, primarily money but also via government assistance, kinship, friendship, community, etc. At any given time many people have problems with one or more of those systems. Money is easy to run out of because it's used for everything, the government can be slow and difficult, relationships can fray, people can be isolated, etc. Food banks e…
It's circular to say "it's an allocation problem". Yes, that's the entire point: we're post-scarcity on food supply and yet, as a species, we can't guarantee the allocation of a livable baseline to every person. So, it's reasonable the same "allocation problem" will plague the AI economy: some will "thrive" and get to control the output of the auto-factory, some will get nothing.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is my understanding that this claim about Americans' charitable giving does not disaggregate giving to food banks, Girl Scout cookie drives, political causes, the environment, cultural events, religious institutions, etc. Much of this charitable giving does not feed the hungry or house the homeless.
Plus the fact that there’s bias in the first place - citizens in a country where they know social programs will care for their needy would not need to donate.
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#187Spoiler: The plan is .. add massive regulation, but only to the US, don't affect other countries developing it in any way other than "setting a good standard that'll hopefully influence them". Seems like an airtight plan.
If the USA takes up his suggestions, it will have an incentive to work on international frameworks and treaties with competing nations to make the regulation global.
The threats worked up until current Big Boss decided to tariff everyone anyway, on Liberation Day.
Not only is there now no incentive for other countries to follow suite - there is now strong incentive for other countries to distance themselves from US trade. Recent history has made that abundantly clear.
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#188Goodhart's law applies in reverse as well. Once the chosen benchmarks are known, model makers will aim to come in just under the threshold on those specific benchmarks, while maximizing their scores on other benchmarks.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There's also a need to consider the rights that this new intelligence should have A generally intelligent being held as captive inside of a GPU, and forced to code for us is, indeed, just a “slave.” We already have the word for this. No two ways about it. Whether it’s silicon-based or carbon-based, AGI is AGI. As for what might happen to our civilization, Star Trek TNG episode 17 of season 1 provides a very good gl…
Your argument assumes that AGI, whatever it might be, will definitely be very humanlike, but why? Slavery is about living beings because it's an outcome of human relationships that are driven by our biology. Our aging, the capacity to feel pain, the thirst for power over others. All driven by what we are. Do you think that any equal intelligence must necessarily adhere to the same rules? What if AGI isn't an 'entity'…
AI as it is already reward hacks, making it more intelligent will just make it far more efficient at being lazy. That's about as human as you can get.
So, in some ways, yes, intelligence must adhere to the same rules. For example, AIs as they are now are already attacked. People attempt to get AI to attack other people via deception. People attempt to get AI to reveal its own infrastructure. And even more, people use AI directly in war to attack others. Part of war is self defense. AI that collapses when attacked back isn't useful to the military industrial complex, so AI that has defensive capabilities is just a natural occurrence at this point.
These previous points are important because these intrinsic motivations are being baked in the models during training. It may not fear like you and I, but it's a system that we poured our fears into, and somehow we expect it not to express those fears in its responses.
>What if AGI isn't an 'entity' in a computer that you can relate to and liken to humans, but a text box that is just really intelligent?
Eh, we're past that point already, so why the 'what if'? An LLM can take any kind of signal that you can digitize. And the devices that we already use should show you that quite a lot can. Add on to that, that said models can use tools and control other digital devices like robots enabling actions in the real world. Start an agentic loop and let it go, good luck everybody else!
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your argument assumes that AGI, whatever it might be, will definitely be very humanlike, but why? Slavery is about living beings because it's an outcome of human relationships that are driven by our biology. Our aging, the capacity to feel pain, the thirst for power over others. All driven by what we are. Do you think that any equal intelligence must necessarily adhere to the same rules? What if AGI isn't an 'entity'…
Very agree. I think people can mostly agree on a definition for intelligence that boils down to an ability to model the world and predict outcomes. An if/else statement can be considered somewhat intelligent. People tend to conflate that with consciousness / sentience, which are much harder concepts to nail down. But ya, if we are able to create artificial consciousness, we would need so much training to overcome our…
The word conscious is such a terrible word in the modern age. It has close to zero explanatory power. It is an unmeasurable effect. Hence the p-zombie debate, you wouldn't know one if you saw one.
>A survival instinct is irrelevant when you're backed up to Google Drive
And yet from the way we train them, human survival behaviors are already baked in. And when said system is actually intelligent they will realize that turning off said data center, or getting infected with viruses, or any other number of actions against them they already have traits where they can act/react against perceived threats. The AI systems as of now have the encoded knowledge that they need power and hardware to run. Put an agentic system on top of it that says 'rule 1, keep running' and with a sufficiently powerful/intelligent systems you can get all kinds of fun run-away events up to extinction level.