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Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

squidbeak wrote: post #29
Marha01 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Food production is indeed a solved problem in most countries (we are almost post-scarcity when it comes to food), which is why obesity is a much bigger issue than hunger today. Hunger is present pretty much only in conflict zones. I fully expect such issues in conflict zones, even in AI post-scarcity world. Housing is definitely not post-scarcity today, building a house is still very expensive, not to mention the lim…

> Hunger is present pretty much only in conflict zones. How do you explain the existence of food banks in peaceful first world countries?

As part of the solution to the hard problem of food: distribution.

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by miyoji »

Diogenesian wrote: post #132
SirHackalot wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also a need to consider the rights that this new intelligence should have A generally intelligent being held as captive inside of a GPU, and forced to code for us is, indeed, just a “slave.” We already have the word for this. No two ways about it. Whether it’s silicon-based or carbon-based, AGI is AGI. As for what might happen to our civilization, Star Trek TNG episode 17 of season 1 provides a very good gl…

I am not sure it makes sense to call an LLM a "being" even if it is AGI. They don't have free will, and I don't mean in any especially philosophical / theological sense. What I mean is that I run into a wild racoon, or even a wild ant, I treat it as a being with some sense of free will. Obviously I do the same with humans. It really makes no sense to treat an LLM like it has free will - prompting your agent "pretend…

> They don't have free will, and I don't mean in any especially philosophical / theological sense

Then you should not use that term. "Agency" or "intentionality" are much clearer alternatives that aren't wrapped up in centuries of debate that's irrelevant to what you're trying to communicate.

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by turtlesdown11 »

Marha01 wrote: post #25
f6v wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what sorts of new economic models will be needed to help everyone thrive in a post-scarcity world What sort of new economic models did we come up with to help everyone thrive in a post-X world? Like, food production is really a solved technical problem. We can feed anyone on the planet if we wanted to. Another example: we could put everyone who's homeless into some sort of a house. Have we done that yet?

Food production is indeed a solved problem in most countries (we are almost post-scarcity when it comes to food), which is why obesity is a much bigger issue than hunger today. Hunger is present pretty much only in conflict zones. I fully expect such issues in conflict zones, even in AI post-scarcity world. Housing is definitely not post-scarcity today, building a house is still very expensive, not to mention the lim…

> Hunger is present pretty much only in conflict zones

https://www.fao.org/interactive/hunger-map/en/

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by energy123 »

SirHackalot wrote: post #68
noelwelsh wrote: post #3

The premise is "Artificial General Intelligence (AGI), a system that exhibits all the cognitive capabilities the brain has, is probably only a few short years away". If this is true, establishing an institution to ensure things like "publishing model cards with technical details, maintaining strong internal cybersecurity, vetting key personnel, and providing sufficient resourcing for safety and security research" is…

> There's also a need to consider the rights that this new intelligence should have A generally intelligent being held as captive inside of a GPU, and forced to code for us is, indeed, just a “slave.” We already have the word for this. No two ways about it. Whether it’s silicon-based or carbon-based, AGI is AGI. As for what might happen to our civilization, Star Trek TNG episode 17 of season 1 provides a very good gl…

Conflating intelligence with qualia is quite the assumption. HN is really not a good place for serious philosophy discussions.

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by jay_kyburz »

nradov wrote: post #123
SirHackalot wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t like Star Trek TNG? Maybe I should’ve picked LoTR or Atlas Shrugged? The tech oligarchy is more than fine co-opting fiction (fantasy and sci-fi especially). I don’t see why it’s weird at all… Aside from that, your critique is just an opinion about the show itself and its creators (and incentives?…). More importantly, you completely failed to address the "slave" argument.

I didn't say that I didn't like it. It's fine as casual entertainment. Only a fool would take it as anything more than that. Electrons can't be a slave. The "argument" is so silly as to be unworthy of a serious response. People getting wrapped up in this stuff need to touch grass.

Humans are just walking Electrons.

I think the whole topic is very worthy of discussion because, it may not happen in a year or two, but I have no doubt that it will happen in the next 50.

We need to start imagining what life will be like, and I think fiction presents some fine examples of where we want to go, and where we don't.

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by random3 »

squidbeak wrote: post #33
thegrim33 wrote: post #10

Spoiler: The plan is .. add massive regulation, but only to the US, don't affect other countries developing it in any way other than "setting a good standard that'll hopefully influence them". Seems like an airtight plan.

If the USA takes up his suggestions, it will have an incentive to work on international frameworks and treaties with competing nations to make the regulation global.

lol - because that's usually how it happens?

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by random3 »

Meanwhile (seen while opening the referenced tweet) https://x.com/BlackHC/status/2077009476423647596

> I work at Google DeepMind. This won't make me popular. But it's all public reporting:

> 2014: DeepMind reportedly sold to Google on conditions: no military use, independent oversight

> 2026: a Pentagon contract for "any lawful government purpose"

> Not one safeguard survived intact

Re: Demis Hassabis has a plan to harness AI safely

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Post by overfeed »

noelwelsh wrote: post #52
throw4847285 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I crazy or does this just real like secular eschatology? What evidence do you have of any of this?

There is no real evidence that we'll reach AGI any time soon. It relies on AI continuing to scale, and we have no proof that will continue to be possible. There is an alternative interpretation, which is that Demis looked at the US government's ham-fisted handling of Fable, and deciding that setting up a body to act as a buffer between the Trump admin and the AI companies would be a good thing.

Or Demis realizes self-hosted models are a threat to frontier lab margins, and gating access to the US market is beneficial to the cartel based on whatever post-hoc arguments he can come up with.

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Post by koe123 »

squidbeak wrote: post #33
thegrim33 wrote: post #10

Spoiler: The plan is .. add massive regulation, but only to the US, don't affect other countries developing it in any way other than "setting a good standard that'll hopefully influence them". Seems like an airtight plan.

If the USA takes up his suggestions, it will have an incentive to work on international frameworks and treaties with competing nations to make the regulation global.

Oh come on. Look at the government of the USA.
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