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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by dzjkb »

knorker wrote: post #120
skrebbel wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t follow. The Dutch tax office has substantially more complete records right now. Even if they don’t track race or religion as explicitly as they did in the 40s, your hypothetical invading Nazis can run some local AI over people’s last names and get close enough. How is, of all things, an age verification app going to make that worse? I mean I understand your argument in principle but it seems you’re arguing ag…

I'm not even saying your conclusion is wrong. But choosing Netherlands about how information control is safe in the hands of the government is a bit of an own goal. Like if I was the boss of a train company I would probably not put up a photo of Mussolini as a motivational poster. Well… maybe I would, but only ironically. > How is, of all things, an age verification app going to make that worse? What are you arguing…

>how do you verify age without verifying identity

zero-knowledge proofs

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by toasty228 »

gobip wrote: post #13

Don't fall for the trap. The question isn't how we should technically force age verification on anybody. The question is why they're pushing it onto everyone. I did not consent to this, neither did you.

> The question is why they're pushing it onto everyone. I did not consent to this, neither did you.

The representatives elected by Europeans did though: 483 votes in favor, 92 against

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by christkv »

Tells us the us is some sort of failed democracy then implements China like access control for the population because they want to ensure they can prosecute you for wrong think in the future. Yeah Im loving this "liberal order" that looks more like good old facism dressed up to look "nice". Even how the passing of chat control was done has ensured I´m voting for any party that will dismantle the EU. EU Parliament is not a democratic of representative institution. Its about as legitimate and democratic as the Duma in Russia.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by christkv »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #49

Why the hell EU even needs an age verification app? Who's genius idea is this and what for?

Step one in the "EU Firewall" and future credit system. Step out of line and get debanked or other things they will come up with to keep you inline.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by toasty228 »

ilumanty wrote: post #17
gobip wrote: post #13

Don't fall for the trap. The question isn't how we should technically force age verification on anybody. The question is why they're pushing it onto everyone. I did not consent to this, neither did you.

Yes, I said it before and I will say it again: We should invest our energy in the discussion whether to implement it and not already wonder how to implement it. Shifting this question benefits only those who want to force this upon us.

And what do "they" want? It's not like they don't already know your age, name, ID number or your browsing history

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by inigyou »

choo-t wrote: post #38
skrebbel wrote: post #30

I agree wholeheartedly with the argument raised in this github issue, but I think people are wrong to be skeptical about the concept of a government-issued age verification app. Thing is, the status quo is absolutely worse. My 13yo son likes making Roblox games. Suddenly, some months ago, Roblox made a change where you’re not allowed to share your games with friends unless you do “age verification”, apparently in som…

You can (and should) be mad at the government and at Roblox at the same time. Also, don't use Roblox, you can freely share games made with PICO-8, Löve, Godot, Rpgmaker, Game maker and the like, no need to go to the hell scape that is Roblox and its dark patern and locked down ecosystem.

When I was a kid I loved this obscure multiplayer game engine called BYOND. In fact it's so obscure that even mentioning it provides several bits of fingerprinting. It technically still exists today, but it's been on life support for 15 years. We should make something like that again.

Besides the game engine, it provided central identity (optional - you could allow players to sign in as Guest), a website to browse games and servers, a forum to discuss games and programming, and an IDE with a built-in sprite editor (it was 2D), map editor and object browser.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by toasty228 »

lstodd wrote: post #58
tikkabhuna wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the "how to implement" determine whether to implement it? A poor implementation shouldn't be done, but a good implementation could make it simpler for companies to verify the ages of users, limit information passed to companies, offer a quality of life improvement for users.

The question is -- why they even need to verify ages of users. This is not decided, and my take is that they do not.

I love how "they" wanting to know your age is a big conspiracy, but zuck &co hiring the best behavioral and addictions scientists to get yours kids into doomscrolling brain rot as soon as possible is a fact of life and we shouldn't do anything about it

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by SoftTalker »

skrebbel wrote: post #30

I agree wholeheartedly with the argument raised in this github issue, but I think people are wrong to be skeptical about the concept of a government-issued age verification app. Thing is, the status quo is absolutely worse. My 13yo son likes making Roblox games. Suddenly, some months ago, Roblox made a change where you’re not allowed to share your games with friends unless you do “age verification”, apparently in som…

We have had the need to prove age for hundreds of years. To buy alcohol. To drive a car. To vote. We depend on government-issued documents to do this. Not sure why anyone would really expect this to change just because it's online now.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by toasty228 »

dheera wrote: post #123
kubo6472 wrote: post #23

Yeah, I am leaning towards never to use anything that is forced to implement any kind of age verification.

You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick. You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary. You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets. My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.

You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it.

idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ?

Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by inigyou »

zeta0134 wrote: post #99
joe_mamba wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are other options, such as refusing games that require them. How about the option of the state not being so tyrannical in meddling about what people anonymously do online in their free time?

This is generally my opinion, and goodness it's swung around quite a bit. This entire debate feels like it should be solved by adequate parental controls. To the extent that it matters, I think the missing link here is "primary education should support a parent's intent to limit unrestricted internet access for their children." That is, during school activities where internet use is unavoidable, require supervision.…

The California Digital Age Assurance Act is a law mandating adequate parental controls. And it's a great law that should be copied instead of doing the verification nonsense.
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