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Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by teddyh »

SXX wrote: post #221
mike_d wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To the best of my knowledge, a domain can only be renewed in advance for up to 10 years. That is the rule for COM/NET/ORG. ccTLDs can do what they please. That said, as a registrar I highly recommend people renew important domains for 9 years. It gives you maximum buffer but allows you to transfer to a new registrar even if your old or new one has the same misconception hard coded.

What domain zone let you register for more than 10 years?

None do at present, AFAIK. But ccTLD could do that, if they wanted to; there is no rule against it, unlike the gTLDs.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by binarray2000 »

shishcat wrote: post #225

I found this post: "I contacted Identity Digital, the registry operator for the .ME domain zone, to request the reason why t.me was placed on "serverHold". The company has now responded and confirmed that the domain was suspended due to OFAC-related compliance requirements. The domain t.me has been placed on serverHold due to OFAC-related compliance requirements Identity Digital also stated that, under its agreements…

> the Montenegrin government is NOT at fault

Who gave management of the TLD to foreign interests? Montenegrin government.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by belorn »

FabCH wrote: post #110
wwalexander wrote: post #108

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ccTLD hacks are both semantically incorrect and geopolitically unstable. The .io TLD will likely be phased out in the future due to geopolitics, and all the companies who decided it was more important to signal how hacker jargon aware their startup was will have to go through the very difficult process of changing domains. In order to log into IRS.gov to get a code to pay my USA taxes, I had to verify my USA ID via a…

I mean, the government of Montenegro is a reasonable European democracy on its, admittedly slow, way to join the EU and is a NATO member. It’s not really any different than this website we are now on being at the whim of the US government.

The biggest difference is the role of ICANN and their willingness to regulate the management of a TLD. With ccTLD they have an official policy to be hands off and not dictate what a country will do with their top level domain. If the US government would start to mess with Verisign and how the registry handles domain, then ICANN is within their own policy to just move it somewhere else.

The government of Montenegro could, just like many other ccTLD, decide tomorrow that every registrant must be a citizen of Montenegro. Many countries do this today, and it is no big deal because it is the country of and ccTLD that dictate how their domains should be operated. They can raise prices by a factor of 100 if they wanted, decide on some form of ID for registration, or dictate that you must have a company located in the country. ICANN has no objection to any of that.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by shishcat »

binarray2000 wrote: post #232
shishcat wrote: post #225

I found this post: "I contacted Identity Digital, the registry operator for the .ME domain zone, to request the reason why t.me was placed on "serverHold". The company has now responded and confirmed that the domain was suspended due to OFAC-related compliance requirements. The domain t.me has been placed on serverHold due to OFAC-related compliance requirements Identity Digital also stated that, under its agreements…

> the Montenegrin government is NOT at fault Who gave management of the TLD to foreign interests? Montenegrin government.

You're right, their fault is not choosing to manage it themselves

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by aloisklink »

booi wrote: post #138
esseph wrote: post #120

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Not available for private use isn't exactly true...

which 2 letter TLDs are not controlled by states?

2 letter TLDs/country-code TLDs, are determined by ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country codes, and having a country code doesn't necessarily mean a country or a state.

There are a bunch on there that I wouldn't consider states, e.g. both UN/EU are exceptionally reserved and have `.un` and `.eu`. Antarctica also has `.aq`.

The Heard Island and McDonald Islands has `.hm`, and it's not a state (since it has no population) but I guess it is controlled by Australia.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by SXX »

teddyh wrote: post #231
SXX wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What domain zone let you register for more than 10 years?

None do at present, AFAIK. But ccTLD could do that, if they wanted to; there is no rule against it, unlike the gTLDs.

That's weird there no such zones then. It would be nice to be able to pay for a domain 50 years in advance.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by FabCH »

inigyou wrote: post #144
FabCH wrote: post #110

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I mean, the government of Montenegro is a reasonable European democracy on its, admittedly slow, way to join the EU and is a NATO member. It’s not really any different than this website we are now on being at the whim of the US government.

It's very different. If the USA soon starts cancelling politically inconvenient domains, European ones will be safe. Just like Nazi propaganda domains would be censored in Europe, but are safe in the US. Every domain has a country. It's as if every non-ccTLD was actually underneath .us. For legacy reasons .com .org etc were grandfathered in. gTLDs are also under .us for corrupt reasons.

Politically inconvenient domains are already routinely seized by the US and there are international agreements in place that allow cross-border takedowns.

Why do you think t.me got taken down? Montenegro doesn’t care about Telegram.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by michalpleban »

jonchurch_ wrote: post #161
michalpleban wrote: post #67

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The status that actually says the domain is suspended is serverHold.

Came to say this, ICANN says: “This status code is set by your domain's Registry Operator. Your domain is not activated in the DNS.” Also the serverDeleteProhibited status is active, which ICANN also admits is a weird and rare one: “This status code prevents your domain from being deleted. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes, at your request, or when a redemptionPeriod status is in…

Mind you, this is ICANN's description, which applies to global domains and not country domains like .me. Country registries can (and do!) assign different meanings to these statuses; for example in .pl clientRenewProhibited has a completely different meaning.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by distances »

milkshakes wrote: post #95
kajman wrote: post #81

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I always figured telegram got the screws turned on them all the time because their lack of E2E encryption meant it was viable to demand they proactively police the platform in the first place. Maybe Signal would just be outright blocked in these locales if it was anywhere near as popular, though.

in fact, telegram does support e2e encryption ("secret chats")

I've been in quite many Telegram chats, none of which has enabled it. For most practical purposes you can just consider Telegram not to have e2e since it's no good if it's not used.

Re: Telegram's t.me domain has been suspended

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Post by graynk »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #69
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #68

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For matrix, I don't use the original client but rather cinny. This client is so good that I wish that other clients and it looks really good in UI/UX, honestly I have had some serious thoughts of porting this UI sometimes: https://cinny.in , so I would be curious what you think about this as well. (Side note: Fractal and the matrix element fork called schildichat are interesting as well. It is also possible to run ma…

I used Cinny at some point, but the issue for me was the mobile client. I liked Cinny, but wasn't a huge fan of a web-based client. I think I tried Fractal and whatever KDE was working on and neither was polished at the time of use.

Fluffychat works reasonably well on mobile for me. On desktop I use Fractal but it still misses some fairly major features like spaces and threads.
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