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A graph that should be front-page news

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Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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If it should be front-page news, shouldn't it also be at the top of the article, rather than right at the bottom?

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. It's a hallmark of a low-effort comment that it is not even terminated with a period, and this is the case with many of your comments.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Please don't post flame bait on HN, including population-wide swipes like “the ignorance of the common human being”. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for something better here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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"Earth is moving beyond the range within which modern human civilisation developed." Way, way, way, way overstated. The graph shows a comparison to an average over a few decades. Human civilization is thousands of years old. Does anyone have a graph of what all the El Ninos since the last Ice Age ended have looked like? Of course not. Nobody has that kind of temperature data.

There is not a graph of prehistoric ocean surface temperatures (doesn’t seem possible to obtain this data other than collecting it as it happens as far as I can tell) but there is global historical temperature data. Here is an XKCD comic, scroll to the bottom and pay attention to the rate of change since 1850 vs the prior 20,000 years: https://xkcd.com/1732/ This Wikipedia article has a graph of the last 2000 years:…

> there is global historical temperature data

Reconstructed from proxies. Not all experts in the field agree on how reliable the proxies actually are, especially over such long time periods.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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>Conspiracy to defraud is an agreement between two or more people to act dishonestly to deprive someone of property, cause them financial loss, or expose them to economic risk. It is a criminal offense, and the conspirators can be prosecuted even if the actual fraud is never executed or no loss occurs. But "you should use paper straws to help the environment" isn't fraud, because it does help the environment in some…

> isn't fraud .. can't be executed for fraud it'll be special kind of fraud, fraud against the planet, execution is ok for that one

Retroactively interpreting laws to prosecute people and giving exceptional punishments goes against the very idea of rule of law. In other words, you're describing a kangaroo court.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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the problem with this kind of article is half of them push a doom angle and the other half talk about carbon footprint. both of them have the same effect making people give up or do useless lifestyle changes that do nothing for the environment. we should be pushing for backend changes that are invisible but actually make things better. that means massive subsidies to build out clean power and electrify everything. po…

Taxes, debt, loss of shareholder value, and infrastructure buildouts are all highly visible to large swathes of the American population.

Republicans are an anti-tax and to some extent anti-debt constituency. Liberals are also fairly anti-tax, unless it’s limited to taxing the rich. There’s opposition now to all forms of new energy infrastructure: to oil/gas/nuclear from the left and many liberals, to wind/solar from the right.

There are no “easy ways.” Only hard fights, against both sometime allies and longtime political opponents.

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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Optimistic of you to assume it’ll only be fifty years. Do you expect humans to adapt that quickly? The climate will be messed up for centuries at least

Where do you get the "centuries at least" bit? The hole in the ozone layer "repaired itself" much faster after humans made changes. There's no more acid rain in Los Angeles after humans made changes. These all happened within my lifetime. We also saw during covid lock downs how quickly things changed from the sudden slow down in human activity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_...

Re: A graph that should be front-page news

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They should also plot the lines on actual temperature, instead of std. dev. And expressing a number as some percentage more or less than another number is a great way to make it meaningless.

Like this? https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=nino3.4

Yes, I find that much more compelling as it clearly shows temperature.
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