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Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by niam »

I'm sympathetic to Logseq here. My guess is that many things are true but do not sum attractively to an audience right now.

The db probably is the cleaner place for Logseq's note storage, but invites comparison to Obsidian, whose fundamental unit of information is already a document, where Logseq's is more like a bulletpoint. Logseq being open source where Obsidian isn't could maybe blunt the edge of moving to a less-portable format, but a user can also understandably look at the status of two-way sync and see an unsexy "In-progress" and figure that's not good enough. Logseq also carries some baggage wrt instability, and the argument that the db is the pro-stability move unfortunately needs to be proven over time. Overall seems like a rough spot to be in.

I dunno. I like Logseq and wish them a good launch.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by abhilesh7 »

For the people commenting on the inability of using LLMs for managing their graphs due to the more away from markdown files, the DB version comes with a fully-fledged CLI bundled with the desktop app that can be used to interact with the logseq graph using Claude code or codex

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by chrisweekly »

packetlost wrote: post #48
chrisweekly wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obsidian's "Outliner" plugin is really pretty good. Esp. assuming "Editing view" and "Live Preview" editing mode, (which combine for WYSIWYG). I appreciate the standard, intuitive keyboard shortcuts for creating/removing bullets, indenting/outdenting, moving lines up or down, etc. Also, you can use the built-in syntax for block references to kinda-sorta recreate the Roam block-based setup.

I've found it lacking, especially with kinda buggy interaction with the vim keybindings. Obsidian's data model, a huge selling point to some, really hinders it too. Logseq's new db format let's you treat any block as a page, metadata and all which can be super helpful.

I'll stick with my portable local-filesystem markdown over any db format (let alone with Obsidian's Coreview and Dataview plugins, and Bases, for db-like querying).

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by AbstractH24 »

wosk wrote: post #24
phil42 wrote: post #11

Any good outliner alternatives out there? I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer. I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, whi…

You might want to try this new logseq though, if the devs have not burned all your goodwill. You can use it with a markdown mirror (it's a feature under settings) so you keep you same notes in markdown as well. It's open-source, really well designed, local, you can even self-host sync... But: the devs make questionable decisions that makes the development roadmap quite bumpy. It should ease up.

The devs have burned enough goodwill to be a “early adopter” of sorts, but not enough for me to be later on the adoption curve

So I hope others dip their toe in it builds momentumn

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by ezst »

wosk wrote: post #9

I've been using Logseq DB (this new version, as a nightly, for a year) and it's a really great concept, way better than anything I tried for notes and organisation. You can apply tags to blocks, which make them a kind of thing (a project, an author, a quote, a thought). It is very fast, and easy to learn. I switched to it from Apple Notes + Obsidian (I've used logseq MD in the distant past). I have to say though that…

> You can apply tags to blocks, which make them a kind of thing (a project, an author, a quote, a thought)

FWIW, needing typed notes is what settled me on Trilium Notes after a foray into a bunch of alternatives, including Notion, Anytype, Obsidian, etc

I realized that efficient note taking and knowledge management generally means (to me) having "dimension lists" (collections of places, people, projects, ...) being referred to in topical notes/journals/events, generally organized as a hierarchy (but not always). Once you come to that realisation (and that your notes system is essentially a glorified RDBMS), you want a system that ensures that "notes of the same type remain as consistent as possible", which Trilium makes easy via Templates and/or Inheritance (attributes can be inherited in the OOP sense, or composed like traits), collections to represent, manage and edit large amounts of notes at once, and emacs-levels of scripting if that's your jam.

https://triliumnotes.org/

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by ezst »

xienze wrote: post #23
phil42 wrote: post #11

Any good outliner alternatives out there? I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer. I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, whi…

It's not exactly like logseq but I really like SilverBullet ( https://silverbullet.md/ ). It's self-hostable and really hackable (plugins, dynamic categorization via embedding custom queries, etc.). Browsers are the first class platform. I really dislike how logseq/Obsidian etc. try to push you towards local fat clients or web clients that only use browser local storage. I _want_ everything stored on a central server…

It can be both: I love being able to use Trilium "as a website" to check out my notes on other's (e.g. employer's) devices, and as a local first/fully offline/totally synced app during e.g. a flight trip or in case of an outage. The two just coexist and sync like a mesh.

https://triliumnotes.org/

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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Post by ezst »

flkiwi wrote: post #35

After Logseq moved to an app focus and abandoned the "edit anywhere" convenience of being browser-based, I lost interest. I liked the original Logseq/Roam/Athens model, and I couldn't find anything similar elsewhere, so I just wrote my own. Markdown, git for versions, remote backup, themes (using the Tinted Themes repository of base16 themes), optionally encrypted notes. Lives in a browser, editable from anything wit…

I needed the "edit anywhere" capability, too, had a keen interest in logseq as a result, and now can't recommend Trilium more.

https://triliumnotes.org/

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