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Any good outliner alternatives out there?

I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer.

I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, which I also don't enjoy).

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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I've been using Logseq DB (this new version, as a nightly, for a year) and it's a really great concept, way better than anything I tried for notes and organisation. You can apply tags to blocks, which make them a kind of thing (a project, an author, a quote, a thought). It is very fast, and easy to learn. I switched to it from Apple Notes + Obsidian (I've used logseq MD in the distant past). I have to say though that…

I'm curious, do you do version control, sync, or work with AI agents? If so, how does that work (for you)?

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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It pains me to say, but it's probably too little, too late. Logseq remained a buggy mess, is now on an unmaintained (thus insecure) version of electron. And now after several years of complete stagnation, the supposed improvement is a database format to fix their technical issues, so I can no longer keep all my data as markdown files? At a time when half the edits are done by Claude and tracked with jujustu, this is…

I agree, I truly love logseq as it fits the way my brain works in a way the few other tools seem to be able to replicate. Unfortunately my notes being in plain text is a non-negotiable for me. This will probably be the push I need to transition over fully to org-roam. My logseq files are already stored in org format anyway.

I'm somewhat willing to entertain the possibility of using FUSE to access my files again as such (as files), but man, what a downgrade!

It also means the file based syncing I use is not going to work anymore, which... On the other hand... Is maybe right out for me.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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I really dislike this style of development: abandon the current version and start a perpetual beta that you're expected to use as your daily driver, as that's the only version that's also getting updated and QoL improvements. If you stay on the older version, expect breaking changes when/if they release a non-beta version, and have bugs unfixed. Or expect bugs/breaking changes if you use the perpetual beta and perhaps some of the previous bugs fixed (see: finamp, linksheet, and lawnchair, as a few examples). Applications that follow this development model are hard to recommend.

Despite enjoying logseq a lot it has stagnated for so long (and the mobile app is atrocious) that I ended up moving to obsidian. It was frustrating to see "new" versions get updates, bug fixes, and QoL improvements that I couldn't use unless I was willing to run an unstable build (plus they didn't update the mobile app during the beta, so it felt half-baked anyway). Even now, it's still a beta. Its such a shame.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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post #2

It pains me to say, but it's probably too little, too late. Logseq remained a buggy mess, is now on an unmaintained (thus insecure) version of electron. And now after several years of complete stagnation, the supposed improvement is a database format to fix their technical issues, so I can no longer keep all my data as markdown files? At a time when half the edits are done by Claude and tracked with jujustu, this is…

Sadly, these are my thoughts as well. I've got so much already in logseq though, and I really like the model. Right now I'm thinking I'll just stay on version one as long as possible. Not being able to use Claude or codex anymore to write or update pages is a real deal breaker for me. Does anyone know of a fork a version one that plans to continue?

Some people have placed their LogSeq DB inside a Obsidian Vault and .. moved on.

While I like using .md files, I can understand the perspective of needing database level syncing.

I haven't kept up with it, not sure why the existing Logseq didn't quietly start using a database internally, and also output .md files too to have both worlds.

Syncing text files can, does and most often will break given enough complexity and multi-device usage, especially with the most basic use case of using a daily note on multiple locations at the same time.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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post #11

Any good outliner alternatives out there? I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer. I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, whi…

Workflowy.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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post #17
post #11

Any good outliner alternatives out there? I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer. I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, whi…

Workflowy.

That's what I started with originally, but it's not offline and stores all data on their servers. Something like Workflowy but offline or self-hosted would be brilliant.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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post #11

Any good outliner alternatives out there? I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer. I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, whi…

Same, was trying this again today. I like the parity of web and TUI.

Re: Logseq 2.0 Beta (DB version) is here

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post #11

Any good outliner alternatives out there? I originally came from Roam and was really happy to find an offline alternative in Logseq. I've since moved to Obsidian, though. Obsidian works well, but I still feel like my brain works best with the outliner-style workflow that Roam and Logseq offer. I have heard of https://outl.app/ but when I tried it out, it still seemed in a very early stage (and heavily vibe-coded, whi…

Workflowy is awesome.
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