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Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by zarzavat »

simondotau wrote: post #206
trymas wrote: post #156

How we can reduce traffic congestion? 1. Extensive support of public transport: metro, tram, dedicated bus routes (separate from car traffic), dedicated paths for bicycles. 2. ... maybe whatever is this ... UPDATE: here's a good graph - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport#/media/File:P... , i.e. car traffic is often congested because of inherent low passenger bandwith. If google wants to manage traffic as…

People will generally choose whichever mode of transport is most convenient and cost-effective, based on how they rationally (or irrationally) weigh various factors. If every road were free of traffic, every destination had unlimited parking at the door, everyone already owned a car, and driving carried no direct or indirect costs, almost everyone would drive everywhere. The only way to shift people onto public trans…

> If every road were free of traffic, every destination had unlimited parking at the door, everyone already owned a car, and driving carried no direct or indirect costs, almost everyone would drive everywhere.

What kind of nonsense is this? People take public transport it's better than driving. You don't need to expend mental cycles focusing on the road, you can do something else while you're on the go: chat to friends, browse the internet, read a book, sleep, etc. Driving is dead time.

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by quietbritishjim »

ventana wrote: post #49

The same things keeps happening every time I find myself stuck in traffic on the interstate. Out of nowhere, a popup appears in Google Maps: a faster route is available! 4 minutes faster! Unless either the passenger or the driver are fast enough to hit "No thanks", the change auto-applies, and Google now wants me to exit the interstate at the nearest exit and drive some random road I had no idea about, to rejoin the…

If the original route was to continue on the current road, and the revised one is to come off, then you don't need to interact with the screen at all to reject it. Just continue driving, and the route will reset once you pass the exit.

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by throw0101a »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #203
asdff wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Massive ongoing investment into roads. EV incentives that would pay for 3-4 ebikes outright. Big 3 bailout. Cash for clunkers. Impact fees from developers towards roads. As others said parking requirements. There is so much beyond that too.

> Massive ongoing investment into roads Okay, let's stop spending money on roads then. How are you at riding your bike through mud? Pretty good? Got nice chunky tyres?

> How are you at riding your bike through mud? Pretty good? Got nice chunky tyres?

Bicyclists were the ones to first push for paved roads:

* https://www.history.com/articles/good-roads-movement-bicycli...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_American_Bicyclists#...

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by throw0101a »

ventana wrote: post #49

The same things keeps happening every time I find myself stuck in traffic on the interstate. Out of nowhere, a popup appears in Google Maps: a faster route is available! 4 minutes faster! Unless either the passenger or the driver are fast enough to hit "No thanks", the change auto-applies, and Google now wants me to exit the interstate at the nearest exit and drive some random road I had no idea about, to rejoin the…

> The same things keeps happening every time I find myself stuck in traffic on the interstate.

Reminder: you are not in traffic, you are traffic. :)

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by throw0101a »

ryan_lane wrote: post #90
gustavus wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't that just unfairly displace the impact onto the economically disadvanteged as they are the least likely to have the flexibility in their schedule, inadvertently forcing more of the maintenance burden onto those who are int be least place to bear it?

Take the revenue generated from congestion pricing, and put it into public transportation. Make public transportation free to use. That would be far more impactful to the folks least able to bear an increase in driving fees. In most of the US, people are forced to own cars because they don't have public transit available, or the available public transit is too infrequent, or there aren't dense enough routes. The reas…

> Take the revenue generated from congestion pricing, and put it into public transportation.

Public transportation is often not viable for the car-centric design of many American communities. The above is necessarily to do, but development probably also needs to also change to pre-WW2 designs:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0

See also Dutch suburbs:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nImFJ7KKjAo

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by sndgndgndgndy »

aqme28 wrote: post #204
sndgndgndgndy wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assertions made without evidence can be disregarded without evidence, and your assertion does not match my personal experience. Public transit is dangerous, especially in cities like SF or Seattle.

Oh don’t worry there is plenty of evidence Deaths per billion miles via car: 7.3 Train: 0.43 From https://www.vox.com/2015/5/14/8606195/train-safety-driving-c... but you can just google, there are tons of other studies.

Your data is for traffic accidents, not crimes. Public transit is dangerous because of crime.

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by chriswarbo »

simondotau wrote: post #206
trymas wrote: post #156

How we can reduce traffic congestion? 1. Extensive support of public transport: metro, tram, dedicated bus routes (separate from car traffic), dedicated paths for bicycles. 2. ... maybe whatever is this ... UPDATE: here's a good graph - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport#/media/File:P... , i.e. car traffic is often congested because of inherent low passenger bandwith. If google wants to manage traffic as…

People will generally choose whichever mode of transport is most convenient and cost-effective, based on how they rationally (or irrationally) weigh various factors. If every road were free of traffic, every destination had unlimited parking at the door, everyone already owned a car, and driving carried no direct or indirect costs, almost everyone would drive everywhere. The only way to shift people onto public trans…

> If every road were free of traffic, every destination had unlimited parking at the door, everyone already owned a car, and driving carried no direct or indirect costs, almost everyone would drive everywhere.

Cars don't even have tables; let alone toilets, dining areas, sleeping cabins, etc. Even those which do (e.g. RVs) would require a solo traveller to stop in order to use them.

No thanks, I'll stick to the train.

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by elil17 »

trymas wrote: post #156

How we can reduce traffic congestion? 1. Extensive support of public transport: metro, tram, dedicated bus routes (separate from car traffic), dedicated paths for bicycles. 2. ... maybe whatever is this ... UPDATE: here's a good graph - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport#/media/File:P... , i.e. car traffic is often congested because of inherent low passenger bandwith. If google wants to manage traffic as…

Well, you can actually do both.

This costs no money to cities and can be rolled out without any political barriers. It will have a small effect.

Public and active transit costs money and requires political buy-in. It will have a large effect but takes time.

Re: How we can reduce traffic congestion

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Post by quantumwannabe »

trymas wrote: post #156

How we can reduce traffic congestion? 1. Extensive support of public transport: metro, tram, dedicated bus routes (separate from car traffic), dedicated paths for bicycles. 2. ... maybe whatever is this ... UPDATE: here's a good graph - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport#/media/File:P... , i.e. car traffic is often congested because of inherent low passenger bandwith. If google wants to manage traffic as…

If you believe that adding lanes doesn't reduce congestion, then you must also believe that adding transit doesn't reduce congestion.
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