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Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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Addictive behaviour is rarely cured by telling the addict to "just stop doing it".

is OP addicted to checking out maps and the parents group on whatsapp?

Nope, addicted to everything else that comes with it. Hence the desire for an alternative.

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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Numerous studies have supported this thesis, that phone addiction is identical to a chemical addiction.

5% of all deaths worldwide can be attributed to alcohol. Phone addiction is not identical. In some aspects its similar but in most others not.

> national safety organizations estimate that cell phone use is a factor in approximately 23% of all car accidents, contributing to millions of crashes nationwide

U.S. Government info: https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/distracted-driving

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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I would love to get rid of my smartphone altogether, actually. I’m just not quite sure how to do it. I need to use a map app often. And most of the announcements and services in my country from companies and schools are all handled through WhatsApp. So it makes it a bit difficult to cut that tether.

I switched to a Kyocera KY-42C specifically because you can sideload Whatsapp which I sadly need. The software is a bit crappy but enough if you just want to phone and rarely SMS, Whatsapp or e-mail.

Don't forget about the other stuff usually handled by smartphones, like music (my old Sansa Clip+ still works) or GPS (the one in my car will do).

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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not sure where the problem is? look at maps only in the car, mute whatsapp and then check it from time to time. seems pretty straightforward.

Addictive behaviour is rarely cured by telling the addict to "just stop doing it".

Maybe they can get addicted to something else?

There's an app for Android called "Forest" that gamifies not using your phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cc.forestapp

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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You have a point but as a kid I would definitely spend that much time reading (mostly novels but also newspapers). I was definitely not present or available when reading. I think this is all a very complex topic and the desire to find a clearcut simple answer is more damaging than helpful

Between the morning/evening news, a sports game or TV movie, reading the newspaper, and a bit of novel reading, my parents in the 90s were just as physically-available-but-in-their-own-world as somebody scrolling TikTok for 4-5 hours a day. I think the difference is that reading the newspaper isn't literally a dopamine-fueled addiction and turning the page in a novel isn't the psychological equivalent of pulling a sl…

> turning the page in a novel isn't the psychological equivalent of pulling a slot machine lever.

Tom Clancy begs to differ. Paperbacks are always exciting

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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post #52

I would love to get rid of my smartphone altogether, actually. I’m just not quite sure how to do it. I need to use a map app often. And most of the announcements and services in my country from companies and schools are all handled through WhatsApp. So it makes it a bit difficult to cut that tether.

One of the things I ironically loved about my windows phone was that it was a PERFECT Phone [0], Sms [1], and Navigation device [2], good enough for music, but SUCKED the further you went from that.

[0] - Call audio was pristine

[1] - large live tile for SMS was great

[2] - Bundled HERE Drive let you pre download map data long before competitors had the option.

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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This crosses into personal attack and that is not allowed here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Come on, it's a technical discussion on the art of parenting.

Parenting and being parented are, of all topics, probably the emotionally strongest and most personal that show up on HN [1]. When someone shares their experience in those areas, it's especially important to respond respectfully. The best way to do that is by sharing some of one's own experience, and the perspective it has led to.

Responding with denunciation, either explicit or implicit, degrades the discussion and is likely to hit the other person in a place that hurts.

Beyond that is the aggressive-internet-lashing sort of response, which is what the GP post did. That is abusive and against HN's guidelines. Saying "sorry to be harsh" doesn't mitigate that any more than it would mitigate a physical lashing.

I'm sure that the comment was posted with good intentions—people usually think it will help to post such things, which means their intention is to be helpful. However, (1) it's not actually helpful, (2) what matters is effects, not intent, and (3) it's all too easy for unconscious aggression to seep into such remarks, even when the intent is to be helpful. In fact, the feeling of intending to be helpful often creates a feeling of being justified in such aggression. That's the "for your own good" pattern, and not a dynamic we want here.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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This can be tricky. I know my mother loves me unconditionally, but I also have strong memories of her shutting herself inside her study to read textbooks and journals, and children were not allowed to disturb unless she was strictly needed to handle an accident. I have the same need for cognition as my mother, but I opt not to lock myself in my office. Instead I tell my kids, "I'm around if you need me and I'll keep…

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Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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I would love to get rid of my smartphone altogether, actually. I’m just not quite sure how to do it. I need to use a map app often. And most of the announcements and services in my country from companies and schools are all handled through WhatsApp. So it makes it a bit difficult to cut that tether.

I spent most of a week with no phone recently, and I have to say I enjoyed it. I mostly communicate via Signal, and have the app installed on my computer as well, so I wasn't really cut off - just less available. WhatsApp doesn't have an installable PC version that I know of, but they do have this web interface: https://web.whatsapp.com/

I learned to drive with paper maps and have never really made much use of GPS navigation, so that part was easier for me than it might be for most.

I'm not going to get rid of my phone entirely, but after that experience, I feel like not carrying it all the time anymore.

Re: Parental device use and the adolescent-caregiver attachment bond

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The phrase "drink beer" could mean anything from 2 beers on a sunny weekend to 6-pack every night. They are not comparable.

Don't you think same could be true about the phone use?

Do you know any adult that uses their phone less than two hours a day? Hell, do you know any child above the age of 12?
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