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How to hide from killer drones

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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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post #31

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Until drones deploy counter-blinkenlights. As someone who has built a realtime people tracker art installation in a disco: Stroboscopes are highly effective at confusing these models.

Disco or death? It's not an easy choice. Which Bee Gees song is optimal? Does it help if I wear a leisure suit? Is the coke optional?

Stayin’ Alive - obviously

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#102
post #89

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Unmanned system forces, can't you read? It's a Ukrainian site with English selected. You couldn't figure that out?

Unmanned system forces Who is that? What is their official page under gov.ua?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_Systems_Forces_of_Ukr...

Listed as official website. As a Ukrainian I can also confirm this is the website used on recruitment ads outside and it is legit. Why does it have to be under gov.ua?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#104

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Only the russians are targeting civilians.

The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.

You’re not a Konfederacja voter by any chance?

I’m so fucking embarrassed to be Polish and hear this populism bullshit from Nawrocki and any other compromised russian shill.

You know who killed our people? The fucking russians. Remember when the bad guys came from Berlin? The other bad guys came from Moscow. Don’t forget that.

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For anyone unsure what this throwaway account is talking about: when he says “not too long ago” in a discussion about a war that is happening literally today, he’s talking about 1943. If this isn’t a bad faith argument from an antagonist, then I don’t know what is.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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post #31
post #27

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This. See https://9mothers.com

Until drones deploy counter-blinkenlights. As someone who has built a realtime people tracker art installation in a disco: Stroboscopes are highly effective at confusing these models.

Yes but you're trying to identify people.

A military system is being launched at an area to destroy a target that is presumed to be trying to hide (hence AI).

Absolutely nothing stops a secondary, much simpler identifier system of "home on bright flickering lights".

Any system where you try to confuse an image recognition model by loudly doing something unexpected suffers from the fact that regular tracking systems have been good at finding those for a long time.

No AI model confusion tech is worthwhile if it otherwise makes something much more visible by other means - it's a scifi trope that people want something "obvious" to be invisible to the machine. It's not how reality works though.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#107
post #77

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

CIWS might be effective against fixed wing since they fly mostly in straight lines, it won’t work effectively against multirotors that can quickly change direction and maneuver around, now add swarm of them, and it will overwhelm CIWS. That of course, assuming it was detected which is a whole process by itself.

You’re talking about dodging bullets or shrapnel here. Source on that a multi rotor has that level of manoeuvrability while also carrying a lethal payload and enough battery for a viable engagement range?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#109
post #90

If only it was simple rage bait. As a member of this thing we call "civilization" I can't help but wonder how the hell we got to this point. #rhetorical

Why do talented engineers keep going to work for these companies and building it?

Because otherwise the opponent absolutist regime would be the only one to wield the tech.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#110
post #69

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

A CIWS can only fire at one direction at a time, so 2+1 drones has an extremely high chance of taking it out for around $2500 or less. CIWS is multiple magnitudes more expensive. Also can't use CIWS near troops and fpvs. P1-SUN and equivalent are the answer there.

Modern dedicated AA gun systems claim multi-km engagement ranges against small drones, and 60 degree/second slew rates. A drone capable of beating that engagement time would be better described as a guided missile, and will certainly not cost $2500. The flaws in gun systems are in the cost required for good coverage, not their effectiveness against targets that do enter their engagement ranges.
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