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Re: Who manages the agents?

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It’s hilarious to me that there are people that think just a few people will control everything and the rest of the population will just accept whatever handouts they get. It’s like they’ve ignored all of human history.

For the first time in human history, military power doesn't require advantage in numbers. The rich will simply build an artificial army and use it to control everything. Kinda like Mr House from Fallout New Vegas.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked “Alexa+” (the new AI/LLM Alexa), what time one of the upcoming World Cup games is. It was off by two hours due to time zones. This was a big enough mistake that I caught it, and followed up with “I’m pretty sure that’s wrong” and then it tried to correct itself and gave me a new time that was off by hour in the opposite direction. I guess my time zone wasn’t in the context? So it just hallucinates the wrong c…

I am seeing a lot of people suffering from AI psychosis getting interested in writing a trading bot using large language models. They give them access to basic market data and then ask the model for analysis of the current market conditions. The bot talks about seeing high volume here, that being a confirmation for this, and that doing an invalidation of that etc. I looked into it after someone pitched me theirs, onl…

It boggles the mind what AI is doing to some people’s brains. A few months ago we released various vibe-coded SDKs in few languages and a CLI for a rest API we had. Then an immediate ask after that was a dashboard that shows the usage of those various SDKs and CLI. I thought it would be straightforward to check the userAgent on all the API calls, but realized that all the user agents across all SDKs and CLI were the same. So I made a couple of simple PRs to all of them to have the language name in the user agents, and was composing a reply about how we only have data for the overall new SDKs/CLI usage but once these PRs are merged and released we will have the breakdown. Before I could send my reply, I got a reply from another fairly senior dude saying “Here is a dashboard for the usage” with fairly convincing and organic-looking usage pattern for all the SDKs and all sorts of breakdowns and charts etc.

I was confused, how did he figure it out? Is it somewhere I missed? I checked the query in the dashboard and it was this insane looking query that was correctly looking for the shared userAgent, but also doing a shit ton of odd functions and weird looking math. I asked the guy and he pointed me to the obligatory 1,400 line markdown file describing the “plan” and “approach”. In between all the raw LLM-isms and very sophisticated “weighted normalized distribution of language spread over time” sounding sentences, there was a sentence that said “Since we only have one userAgent for all tools, we use industry standard distribution of language popularity to approximate the usage, and apply some randomness to emulate an organic usage pattern”

So basically the AI just made up some numbers that look plausible (python 20%, JavaScript 30%, CLI 25%, etc) with some randomness thrown in “to look organic”, and the guy was like “that checks out”. When I pointed that these numbers are wrong because X, Y and Z, the person who asked for the data said “that’s ok, it’s a great start and gives me something to use for planning with other teams. Feel free to refine them if you want, but it’s good we have some numbers”. I’m planning my exit soon.

Re: Who manages the agents?

#73

The closer I start working with and on AI stuff, the more I start seeing the disconnect between doomsday predictions of what AI will replace vs. what it is actually capable of. Yes, it can do stuff, and yes, it's getting better. But the closer you look the more clear it becomes that the enthusiast vision of completely independent AI systems is unrealistic as of today. Yes, all the tech companies are pushing for exact…

Not disagreeing but this also means hardware will become more important. See the increase of RAM prices. This is unfair.

Re: Who manages the agents?

#74
post #68

I am still waiting for the day me and my wife can share a grocery list, that can be accurately modified by a voice assistant AND correctly sorted by category. This guy is arguing mass unemployment, while I still have to tell Apple Reminders that no, Siri, wood glue is not in the Candy department.

You definitely seem to have a much lower exposure level to flagship AI models. I manage fleets of AI agents (and manage engineers who manage fleets of AI agents) all day for my job, and I’m rarely touching code anymore. It’s not perfect, but it is insanely powerful. I’m having to actively plan for changes to our EPD org because what we need engineers to do today is a lot different than a year ago.

Sounds impressive. How much did it improve the quality of the product for the end user?

Re: Who manages the agents?

#75
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Did anyone notice how the article goes on and on about making AI accessible to the billions of people in the world, but then in the same article says this: > Your agents need to be sovereign. Your company must own and control the agents’ identities, permissions, memory, skills, artifacts, and audit trails. Those assets must be portable, governable, and inaccessible to anyone you have not authorized. That's not very o…

How is that contradictory? It seems like a repeat of the (original, now eroded) vision of the newfangled Personal Computer as democratizing certain kinds of production:

1. It's open/accessible/etc. because it's easy for anybody to have.

2. But their is not open/accessible/etc. to strangers. Each person's PC/AI/etc. should be theirs to own, it should express their will and guard their interests... not somebody else's.

Similarly, "affordable housing" isn't the same as "you can pay $5 to crash in anybody's bedroom."

Re: Who manages the agents?

#76

The closer I start working with and on AI stuff, the more I start seeing the disconnect between doomsday predictions of what AI will replace vs. what it is actually capable of. Yes, it can do stuff, and yes, it's getting better. But the closer you look the more clear it becomes that the enthusiast vision of completely independent AI systems is unrealistic as of today. Yes, all the tech companies are pushing for exact…

What’s your p(doom)?

Not OP.

Pick an epsilon > 0. P(doom) Not 0. Small though.

Re: Who manages the agents?

#77

The closer I start working with and on AI stuff, the more I start seeing the disconnect between doomsday predictions of what AI will replace vs. what it is actually capable of. Yes, it can do stuff, and yes, it's getting better. But the closer you look the more clear it becomes that the enthusiast vision of completely independent AI systems is unrealistic as of today. Yes, all the tech companies are pushing for exact…

I think a main worry is that, this AI wave is quite different from past technological revolutions in that, this wave is happening so fast, the speed that humans learn new skills and master new jobs would lag more and more behind the speed that machines replace humans in those jobs. Without societal or legal constraints, capital chasing the max efficiency and profit would just replace humans with machines whenever mac…

That’s almost certainly going to be the case. For example, I have been extremely negative on tech in the legal sector. Until now. AI as it exists now allows me to do stuff that in the past I would’ve delegated to an associate. Even if we’re nearing a plateau I can see it enabling cutting a team of 4 people to 3 people. (For whatever reason, AI for legal is quite far behind AI for coding in terms of force multiplication. But it’s genuinely useful, unlike almost all previous legal tech.)

The efficiencies mean that firms are just going to cut the size of entry level lawyer classes. History shows that those people aren’t going to get comparable jobs, ever. The pyramid will become narrower, and more and more returns will flow to the folks at the top whose job is less wrangling the law and facts and more dealing with the human factors of client relationships. I see that happening all over the white collar world.

Re: Who manages the agents?

#78

It’s hilarious to me that there are people that think just a few people will control everything and the rest of the population will just accept whatever handouts they get. It’s like they’ve ignored all of human history.

For the first time in human history, military power doesn't require advantage in numbers. The rich will simply build an artificial army and use it to control everything. Kinda like Mr House from Fallout New Vegas.

Drones aren't terribly expensive these days, and an "artificial army" requires a long production pipeline even if parts are printed.

I reckon the hypothetical plutocracy wouldn't want to live immediately next to the land they stripmine or otherwise experience the environmental consequences they would wish to ignore, thus it would be difficult for their supply lines to be fully encapsulated.

Alternatively, the hypothetical plutocrats could engage in trade with the people they attempt to wall off, become better off than autarky, and ideally approach some of the better systems that exist today.

It must be awful tempting for dictators to steal the commanding heights of the economy -- we see it happen so often -- and little do they realize the prosperous world they want comes when these institutions they steal are protected, enforced, and respected.

Re: Who manages the agents?

#80

It’s hilarious to me that there are people that think just a few people will control everything and the rest of the population will just accept whatever handouts they get. It’s like they’ve ignored all of human history.

For the first time in human history, military power doesn't require advantage in numbers. The rich will simply build an artificial army and use it to control everything. Kinda like Mr House from Fallout New Vegas.

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