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Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by redelbee »

This is a marketing piece that can’t be taken seriously without that context, or maybe one that can’t be taken seriously at all. And yet I can’t help thinking we’re missing the forest for the trees. We don’t need to decide where future productivity gains should accrue if we acknowledge and live in reality: we don’t need any more productivity! We have more than enough to go around.

Of course it would be great to make use of AI to solve cancer or fix other intractable problems, but we all know this isn’t the way things are going to go. The cancer is in our minds, our societies, and our norms that push us deeper and deeper into a grow-at-any-cost reality where the need for productivity is neither questioned nor considered in any real way. They say: we must grow! They say: we must be more productive! And we sit around thinking about who is going to control the productivity instead of acknowledging the real issues at hand.

I can only imagine a solution where we can all collectively agree that enough is enough. I’m not hopeful it’s possible and I think it’s probably the only way.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by throw1234567891 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #8
hoppp wrote: post #3

Agents manage agents. The middle management in companies is one of the worst inventions ever. I think baboons have better middle management structure than us. Might as well replace all that.

> Might as well replace all that. You know, as an IC, if I get get the level of introspection you can get from building distributed systems, and that with reasoning/thinking traces from LLMs, I think I'd prefer the entire level of middle management made out of LLMs rather than humans. It'd be helpful to be able to see exactly where their logic suddenly took a skip out the window.

At least those LLMs write code. Those middle managers are just there to turn the screw, most often have no clue what effort it is to write code, and what effort is it to run the thing. Just holding a fucking whip and reporting kpi’s.

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Post by azinman2 »

It’s hilarious to me that there are people that think just a few people will control everything and the rest of the population will just accept whatever handouts they get. It’s like they’ve ignored all of human history.

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Post by estetlinus »

blauditore wrote: post #11

The closer I start working with and on AI stuff, the more I start seeing the disconnect between doomsday predictions of what AI will replace vs. what it is actually capable of. Yes, it can do stuff, and yes, it's getting better. But the closer you look the more clear it becomes that the enthusiast vision of completely independent AI systems is unrealistic as of today. Yes, all the tech companies are pushing for exact…

What’s your p(doom)?

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by therein »

snailmailman wrote: post #32
dominotw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we have a google calender bot type ai that you can ask in slakc to make a meeting with participants. It gets it wrong about 80% of time . i try to think of this whenever i am going into ai psychosis.

I asked “Alexa+” (the new AI/LLM Alexa), what time one of the upcoming World Cup games is. It was off by two hours due to time zones. This was a big enough mistake that I caught it, and followed up with “I’m pretty sure that’s wrong” and then it tried to correct itself and gave me a new time that was off by hour in the opposite direction. I guess my time zone wasn’t in the context? So it just hallucinates the wrong c…

I am seeing a lot of people suffering from AI psychosis getting interested in writing a trading bot using large language models. They give them access to basic market data and then ask the model for analysis of the current market conditions. The bot talks about seeing high volume here, that being a confirmation for this, and that doing an invalidation of that etc. I looked into it after someone pitched me theirs, only to realize it doesn't even have access to the trading volume. So it was hallucinating a whole narrative about that and the guy shilling this to me hadn't noticed it didn't have access to trade volume yet coming up with a whole rationale for what it is observing.

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Post by wwind123 »

blauditore wrote: post #11

The closer I start working with and on AI stuff, the more I start seeing the disconnect between doomsday predictions of what AI will replace vs. what it is actually capable of. Yes, it can do stuff, and yes, it's getting better. But the closer you look the more clear it becomes that the enthusiast vision of completely independent AI systems is unrealistic as of today. Yes, all the tech companies are pushing for exact…

I think a main worry is that, this AI wave is quite different from past technological revolutions in that, this wave is happening so fast, the speed that humans learn new skills and master new jobs would lag more and more behind the speed that machines replace humans in those jobs. Without societal or legal constraints, capital chasing the max efficiency and profit would just replace humans with machines whenever machine cost comes down below humans.

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Post by estetlinus »

I am still waiting for the day me and my wife can share a grocery list, that can be accurately modified by a voice assistant AND correctly sorted by category. This guy is arguing mass unemployment, while I still have to tell Apple Reminders that no, Siri, wood glue is not in the Candy department.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by orbital-decay »

weego wrote: post #13

"What should the future of humanity look like?" Some of these people have lost their damn minds. People building an agent framework that will struggle to correctly infer that my appointment at a hospital will require additional travel time when organising my calendar for me waxing lyrical about the future of the humn race is chaotic behavior. Th Wright brothers would have had no credibility discussing what ATC protoc…

Most of those people are rationalists that genuinely believe they can predict the future and infer just about anything based on game theory and similar rational constructions. They don't understand that it all depends on their initial assumptions, real life grounding, and fidelity of their model. Or rather they say they do, but in reality they never update their basic assumptions, because they already played all potential scenarios in their heads and pink-elephanted themselves into believing it. It's a cult of rogue AI, actual new age religion with all attributes. They are completely detached from the reality in the way the Wright brothers weren't, it's rather similar to Richard Gatling who believed that his invention will reduce battlefield losses and the size of the armies, which I'm sure sounded pretty logical and convincing in his head. They're deaf to any critique and arrogant to an unbelievable degree.

The problem is they really did something credible, and this will let them concentrate huge amounts of power pretty soon (not hold it, but collude with those who will hold it) and define your future. The longer you dismiss it, the bleaker it will be.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by j45 »

estetlinus wrote: post #48

I am still waiting for the day me and my wife can share a grocery list, that can be accurately modified by a voice assistant AND correctly sorted by category. This guy is arguing mass unemployment, while I still have to tell Apple Reminders that no, Siri, wood glue is not in the Candy department.

For free?

This would be great to see, but unfortunately too many people are first trying to boil the entire ocean instead of such small swimming pools or bowls of water.

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