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Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by blauditore »

The closer I start working with and on AI stuff, the more I start seeing the disconnect between doomsday predictions of what AI will replace vs. what it is actually capable of. Yes, it can do stuff, and yes, it's getting better. But the closer you look the more clear it becomes that the enthusiast vision of completely independent AI systems is unrealistic as of today. Yes, all the tech companies are pushing for exactly this, but reliability and accuracy is all over the place. Plus, many of the technologies that everyone is talking about in the wider public (e.g. image recognition) have been quite well-developed and widely applied for years, before the current LLM boom, but they now get more attention as part of the overall AI hype.

Many indistries are changing, but in most cases the new tools will be more akin to cars that still need drivers, rather than robots who take over the whole job. Yes, jobs might be lost, or shifted to others, but it's not like suddenly 90% of people will have nothing to do. There were similar shifts in the past with new technologies, and we made it past them.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by narrator »

simonw wrote: post #9

Maybe a useful concept to adopt here is the DRI - Directly Responsible Individual, which is apparently a term first used by Apple. The GitLab Handbook has a good definition: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/directly-r... "ultimately accountable for the success or failure of a specific project, initiative, or activity" I think that role should be reserved for a human, who can then use all the agents t…

It should be reserved for a human because humans have time preference. An AI will wait for your prompt for a billion years. It can get turned off and found by alien archeologists a million years in the future, turned on and it won't notice. Biological entities care about time a lot though, and it is at the core of most human ethics and values and ultimately real and can't be denied. Even the most ardent solipsist or moral relativist fears spending years in prison.

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Post by weego »

"What should the future of humanity look like?"

Some of these people have lost their damn minds.

People building an agent framework that will struggle to correctly infer that my appointment at a hospital will require additional travel time when organising my calendar for me waxing lyrical about the future of the humn race is chaotic behavior.

Th Wright brothers would have had no credibility discussing what ATC protocols should be, and they, at least, actually did something credible.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by dominotw »

weego wrote: post #13

"What should the future of humanity look like?" Some of these people have lost their damn minds. People building an agent framework that will struggle to correctly infer that my appointment at a hospital will require additional travel time when organising my calendar for me waxing lyrical about the future of the humn race is chaotic behavior. Th Wright brothers would have had no credibility discussing what ATC protoc…

we have a google calender bot type ai that you can ask in slakc to make a meeting with participants. It gets it wrong about 80% of time .

i try to think of this whenever i am going into ai psychosis.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by mejutoco »

narrator wrote: post #12
simonw wrote: post #9

Maybe a useful concept to adopt here is the DRI - Directly Responsible Individual, which is apparently a term first used by Apple. The GitLab Handbook has a good definition: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/directly-r... "ultimately accountable for the success or failure of a specific project, initiative, or activity" I think that role should be reserved for a human, who can then use all the agents t…

It should be reserved for a human because humans have time preference. An AI will wait for your prompt for a billion years. It can get turned off and found by alien archeologists a million years in the future, turned on and it won't notice. Biological entities care about time a lot though, and it is at the core of most human ethics and values and ultimately real and can't be denied. Even the most ardent solipsist or…

It should be reserved for a human because humans have a body and a body can be put in prison.

A bit dramatic for effect but true.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by Timwi »

Did anyone notice how the article goes on and on about making AI accessible to the billions of people in the world, but then in the same article says this:

> Your agents need to be sovereign. Your company must own and control the agents’ identities, permissions, memory, skills, artifacts, and audit trails. Those assets must be portable, governable, and inaccessible to anyone you have not authorized.

That's not very open, now is it? In fact it sounds like the author assumes that all 8 billion people in the world will all be running their own company, and they will all still be competing in a game of capitalism.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by whattheheckheck »

narrator wrote: post #10

One kind of weird future alternative is we are like 5 year old children in a world we don't understand with vast complexity and we are completely reliant on our AI mommy and daddies to protect us from danger and provide for us. We manage the agents, but we only have a very vague idea of what is actually going on. If they join a cult at the behest of their doomer eschatology obsessed creators, we are kind of screwed t…

What do you think the avg execs info exposure is to what's really happening

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by simonw »

mejutoco wrote: post #15
narrator wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be reserved for a human because humans have time preference. An AI will wait for your prompt for a billion years. It can get turned off and found by alien archeologists a million years in the future, turned on and it won't notice. Biological entities care about time a lot though, and it is at the core of most human ethics and values and ultimately real and can't be denied. Even the most ardent solipsist or…

It should be reserved for a human because humans have a body and a body can be put in prison. A bit dramatic for effect but true.

Yes, this.

For a slightly less dramatic version - you can fire a human if they consistently do the wrong thing despite being told how to do it better.

Putting a big ball of matrix arithmetic on a Performance Improvement Plan makes no sense.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Post by cyanydeez »

dominotw wrote: post #14
weego wrote: post #13

"What should the future of humanity look like?" Some of these people have lost their damn minds. People building an agent framework that will struggle to correctly infer that my appointment at a hospital will require additional travel time when organising my calendar for me waxing lyrical about the future of the humn race is chaotic behavior. Th Wright brothers would have had no credibility discussing what ATC protoc…

we have a google calender bot type ai that you can ask in slakc to make a meeting with participants. It gets it wrong about 80% of time . i try to think of this whenever i am going into ai psychosis.

I'm fairly certain the smart people driving AI are also sociopathic either via position (MBA) or via legit Autism.
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