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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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If only it was simple rage bait. As a member of this thing we call "civilization" I can't help but wonder how the hell we got to this point. #rhetorical

Very few voices were complaining about flying killer robots in and around the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and more and more people seem comfortable with the status quo.

I guess things like fire-and-forget anti-tank missiles led the way. The future is Skynet.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#92

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

Tau

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fighting evil in this world is highly commendable Except more often than not it is fighting not evil but sleeping civilians who don't support this war, which is not even war in the strict sense of the word, but a deliberate meatgrinder set up to devour as much human beings on both sides as its orchestrators can get away with, for as long as possible.

If Russian civilians stopped sleeping and took up arms against their government, then maybe this war could end. The people responsible are all members of the Russian government, and Russian people's apathy (or in many cases support for the war) enables them.

Let's see how you'll manage to stop your own governments from implementing total digital panopticon via Chat Control etc, from mongering wars half the equator away from your country, and everything else you won't like in what future holds for the West and the world in general.

I sincerely hope you'll be able to, thus proving that the people of the West are not as asleep at the wheel as Russians.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#94
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can fit a Jetson Orin Nano on a winged drone. It has plenty enough power to run a vision model.

Given that the drone is going on a one way trip, I imagine you'd want to use the cheapest hardware possible which would mean using the dumbest model you can get away with.

Wait till you learn how much missiles cost.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#96

Oh, so dazzle camouflage is back. I wonder if the more sophisticated "classic" patterns would work better. They certainly do for human observers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

Back in the day, I had an early pre-release Xbox One Devkit and mouse and now I realize it was likely outfitted with Dazzle camouflage - but we just called it zebra.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#97

After WW II German u-boat captains said they were never particularly bothered by dazzle camouflage. Ten years from now I have a feeling we'll get the same information from drone operators.

It's not camouflage for ships, it's so it's harder to estimate the distance.

I understand, but like I said, it never really worked.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#98

> The probable result will be an arms race pitting increasingly sophisticated machine vision systems against cleverer and cleverer methods for fooling them. FPV drones are a thing. In, fact, I suspect most drones in the NATO-Russia war are FPV rather than fully autonomous.

It's the really long range that have always needed an autonomous end phase

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fighting evil in this world is highly commendable Except more often than not it is fighting not evil but sleeping civilians who don't support this war, which is not even war in the strict sense of the word, but a deliberate meatgrinder set up to devour as much human beings on both sides as its orchestrators can get away with, for as long as possible.

Only the russians are targeting civilians.

The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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post #69

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

A CIWS can only fire at one direction at a time, so 2+1 drones has an extremely high chance of taking it out for around $2500 or less. CIWS is multiple magnitudes more expensive. Also can't use CIWS near troops and fpvs. P1-SUN and equivalent are the answer there.

I don’t think it’s a technical limitation that CIWS systems today only fire in one direction.
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