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Who manages the agents?

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Re: Who manages the agents?

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To me, the "who manages the agents" shtick has the same grifty smell as “your developers are downloading from random Docker registries / random NPM packages” and "Shadow IT".

None of it is wrong exactly, but it feels like same enterprise-security machine finding the next anxiety surface than a "world is on fire right now" concern.

All of it always ends as a priesthood and a six-figure governance platform, rather than just taking practical steps to improve process.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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One kind of weird future alternative is we are like 5 year old children in a world we don't understand with vast complexity and we are completely reliant on our AI mommy and daddies to protect us from danger and provide for us. We manage the agents, but we only have a very vague idea of what is actually going on. If they join a cult at the behest of their doomer eschatology obsessed creators, we are kind of screwed t…

What do you think the avg execs info exposure is to what's really happening

An exec can ask an expert to explain themselves, and if they're a good CEO they can weigh the pros and cons of the arguments from their staff and make a decision. Someone that's much smarter or more skilled in a particular discipline can usually explain what's going on to someone that's not as smart as long as the gap isn't too big. However, I've found that with Fable, and some of the latest frontier models their critique of my ideas is brilliant but on the edge of what I can even comprehend. I am above average intelligence, so I am sure a lot of people with less than average intelligence already can't understand these understandings it's formulated, and instead will just default to, "you know what you're doing, whatever." There will be the case in the future till the brilliance is so complicated that all of us will be doing this, and then we'll just have to trust the AI.

For example, I could imagine a future AI telling me that it has modeled my behavior and built a very large differential equation that seems to perfectly fit my ideal pattern to maximally achieve my life goals and it looks like something Ramanujan came up with, and I'd tell it "that looks great, let's optimize my life based on that" while having no ability to even approach understanding something like that.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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Maybe a useful concept to adopt here is the DRI - Directly Responsible Individual, which is apparently a term first used by Apple. The GitLab Handbook has a good definition: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/directly-r... "ultimately accountable for the success or failure of a specific project, initiative, or activity" I think that role should be reserved for a human, who can then use all the agents t…

It should be reserved for a human because humans have time preference. An AI will wait for your prompt for a billion years. It can get turned off and found by alien archeologists a million years in the future, turned on and it won't notice. Biological entities care about time a lot though, and it is at the core of most human ethics and values and ultimately real and can't be denied. Even the most ardent solipsist or…

you can make an AI operate on time scale...

Re: Who manages the agents?

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post #13

"What should the future of humanity look like?" Some of these people have lost their damn minds. People building an agent framework that will struggle to correctly infer that my appointment at a hospital will require additional travel time when organising my calendar for me waxing lyrical about the future of the humn race is chaotic behavior. Th Wright brothers would have had no credibility discussing what ATC protoc…

The entire bubble, boom if you prefer, is built on this. Basic knowledge work can be done by robots, goodbye humans. It's serious and profound. It will come in fits and starts unless there is popular revolution against the elite criminals.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be reserved for a human because humans have a body and a body can be put in prison. A bit dramatic for effect but true.

Yes, this. For a slightly less dramatic version - you can fire a human if they consistently do the wrong thing despite being told how to do it better. Putting a big ball of matrix arithmetic on a Performance Improvement Plan makes no sense.

I agree with this. I basically don’t feel comfortable trying to pretend a fancy matrix multiplication can be responsible for anything.

But what if companies that don’t track responsibility outcompete those who do?

In particular what if some perfect AI decision making ends up nailing decisions that maximize the expected reward for the company. And, well, if that comes at the cost of some unmanaged low-probability catastrophic risk, the company doesn’t care because all the decision makers are AI that don’t mind being shut off.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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post #7

The author is completely right about the AI Lab's promised vision of the world: They claim to want to create superhuman intelligence, which will produce vast abundance. But superhuman intelligence would be extremely dangerous, so it needs to be controlled by a tiny "priesthood" of trusted people, or somehow designed so that the superhuman intelligence could be trusted. (We have no idea how to do that.) But the author…

I don't take 3 as a given. There's just too much going on in the space for one cloistered company to control it all and be in control of it. Today, I can run a local LLM with tool calling as a weirdo nerd that is able to accomplish a small subset of tasks a human could do. There are enough weirdo nerds out there that I don't see a future where future, more capable versions will be exclusively locked down and restricted to a blessed cabal. It won't be available to everyone for cheap, but that's not the same thing as being locked up and only available to a blessed priest hood. As long as HuggingFace is up, I'm not worried about politicians and billionaires being the only ones with a seat at the table.

Re: Who manages the agents?

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post #9

Maybe a useful concept to adopt here is the DRI - Directly Responsible Individual, which is apparently a term first used by Apple. The GitLab Handbook has a good definition: https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/people-group/directly-r... "ultimately accountable for the success or failure of a specific project, initiative, or activity" I think that role should be reserved for a human, who can then use all the agents t…

unfortunately,

what's developing is more about scape goats than anything rational like responsibility.

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