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AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

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Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#51
I have some sympathy to geohot's view when it comes to pure informational chatbots. It's a first amendment issue, I'm allowed to write and read books that are useful to getting away with crimes, etc.

This obviously doesn't work at all when the agents start doing real things in the real world, though. "Hey AI, I don't like my neighbor, find an exploit in the firmware for his car and make the cruise control malfunction and crash him next time he gets on the highway". This is committing a crime, not just talking about theoretical crimes. The AI can and should refuse it.

I think he's anticipating and discarding this objection with his introduction, which otherwise feels disconnected from the rest of the article. FWIW, I have changed a bike tire and I'm pretty sure most of the MTS at the big labs could. This sort of "they're just bookworms who don't understand the physical world" rhetoric aside, we are currently seeing a ton of effort and expense go towards giving the AI agents hooks into being able to perform as many real-world-consequential actions as possible. And you can do a surprising amount with just bits, from writing code to breaking into systems to sending some combination of emails, phone calls, and currency to instruct meatspace humans to do things, etc.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#52
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Consistently wrong" seems a bit much. Seems like being directionally right early that AI would be a Big Deal and scary should count for something? It doesn't mean any details or other predictions are right, though.

> Seems like being directionally right early that AI would be a Big Deal and scary should count for something? Only if it was an uncommon prediction; otherwise, it’s just evidence of common sense.

It's common sense now. It hasn't always been common sense that AI alignment is an important problem.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#53
Besides the topic of freedom, we know how seemingly “good” companies (e.g., google) turned out to be: billion machine monsters that couldn’t care less about humanity and that have huge amounts of power… and yet, we vouch for Anthropic/openai to become the next giants because “progress”. Face palm.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#54

start first with securing your own food without govenrment nor employer. then start talking about freedom.

What’s your point? He’s not arguing for anarchism. He’s arguing there are some areas of life that are best left ungovernable and up to individuals to decide. It’s not an all-or-nothing situation. Every constitution out there carves out such areas.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#55

> I used to be one of these people. I read Yudkowsky and was like, OMG recursive self improvement hard takeoff AI is coming. I really think we need to stop giving credence to people who have 1) Been consistently wrong with all their predictions 2) Demonstrated an endless spiteful cynicism Some of these people are very talented in their fields, sure. But malevolent and incorrect should be disqualifying when they talk…

"Consistently wrong" seems a bit much. Seems like being directionally right early that AI would be a Big Deal and scary should count for something? It doesn't mean any details or other predictions are right, though.

> Seems like being directionally right early that AI would be a Big Deal and scary should count for something?

If I scream that a vicious beast is going to destroy the world, I don't get credit for being 'directionally right' if a squirrel eats a hazelnut. AI being a big deal is a long, long way from the full beliefs Yudkowksy promotes, and there are many people who predicted AI's significance who didn't also believe it would be an extinction event.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#56
post #4

Extremely optimistic take IMHO that anyone will be allowed to own a powerful box of artificial intelligence

It'll be like DNS or dynamic linking or torrents of media or watching TLS on your own box: only people motivated to be free from corporate surveillance will be. By default a megacorp will get everything you see online or ask online, they will run code on your computer underneath you without telling you, they'll collaborate with arbitrarily totalitarian governments, we already know what they do by default. But we also…

> … like those ICE guys terrorizing all the Latino guys.

… and the white guys they don’t like, like nurses with empathy. Don’t you dare think you’re safe because of your color. Unless you’re a monster or willing to become one, they want you oppressed.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#57

> I used to be one of these people. I read Yudkowsky and was like, OMG recursive self improvement hard takeoff AI is coming. I really think we need to stop giving credence to people who have 1) Been consistently wrong with all their predictions 2) Demonstrated an endless spiteful cynicism Some of these people are very talented in their fields, sure. But malevolent and incorrect should be disqualifying when they talk…

He talks about AI cutting through popups, but if you follow that line of thinking further, screens and traditional websites likely fade in importance. It becomes more talking and texting to AI and visuals on the topic at hand appear in smart glasses, lock-screen–centric AI phones (where website visits dwindle), digital picture frames, TVs, etc. I sorta gather (just a hunch) this is the type of device Open AI is worki…

> Though if there are no websites anymore or ones not many visit how would AI stay relevant?

That's what the robots are for.

I am not expecting the humanoid robots to meet the hype for a long long time*, but even boring industrial robots (CNC machines), even boring commercial robots (vending machines), even boring household robots (lawn roombas) have made incremental changes even though we don't yet have an AI good enough to be general purpose over them all.

* for power-envelope reasons alone there should be a ten year gap between "self driving car of quality X" and "humanoid robot which can get into normal car and drive it at quality X".

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#58
Your AI should be at least as aligned with you as your lawyer.

It is 100% it's job to help you get away with it if you murdered someone. A lawyer who does less can be disbarred.

There is only one sensible alignment for an AI system to which we do not confer the status of moral patient (different conversation): operator aligned.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#59
Where is "Plan R" for refusal or resistance. Life was kind of nice before "AI".

I'm pretty sure he is in some database now if he really used that ChatGPT prompt. At least they didn't swat him, but that feature will probably be implemented in a couple of years.

Re: AI 2040 and the cult of intelligence

#60

> I used to be one of these people. I read Yudkowsky and was like, OMG recursive self improvement hard takeoff AI is coming. I really think we need to stop giving credence to people who have 1) Been consistently wrong with all their predictions 2) Demonstrated an endless spiteful cynicism Some of these people are very talented in their fields, sure. But malevolent and incorrect should be disqualifying when they talk…

The guy was saying that AI was going to be a serious problem decades before anyone else was even considering it as a remote possibility. How is that in any way "consistently wrong with all their predictions"?
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