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Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by ares623 »

bombcar wrote: post #30
NBJack wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you'd lose the sense of depth that helps make the plane feel less small. There's also a safety factor for situational awareness; many carriers require shades to be open for the cabin crew to figure out the safest side to evacuate on in an emergency.

You could do something with mirrors, but the safety cards reference looking out the windows before opening the emergency doors, so I bet you need at least SOME.

No, no we need more technology, more software. How about webcams and LCD panels in place of the windows?

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by einsteinx2 »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #67
w4der wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And both were Boeing 737s ... (albeit different variants)

The Alaska Airlines flight that had a door fall off was also a Boeing 737

I was going to reply that I thought the Boeing 737 was also hands down the most popular commercial airplane model in current use, so of course it would have more high profile issues. Then I did a quick web search and apparently the Airbus A320 is actually more popular since 2025, otherwise they’re fairly close to even. Yet these things only seem to happen to Boeing.

So yeah, never mind, fair game to blame Boeing actually.

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by throw1234567891 »

ares623 wrote: post #71
bombcar wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could do something with mirrors, but the safety cards reference looking out the windows before opening the emergency doors, so I bet you need at least SOME.

No, no we need more technology, more software. How about webcams and LCD panels in place of the windows?

Why fly at all? Just buy a large TV and sit in front of it. Get a ventilator to simulate wind, and a toilet freshener for a scent.

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

IAmBroom wrote: post #65
fian wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also so that rescue personnel can see into the plane in the event it crashes.

Odd. Rescue personnel aren't typically high enough to see in through the windows.

Airplane crashes tend to be on the floor.

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by thebruce87m »

consumer451 wrote: post #28

Lesson learned for Ryanair leadership: charge more for seats not in range of debris from uncontained turbine failures. Seriously though, as an aviation geek, I always avoid those seats when given a choice.

Aren’t seats near the window the most structurally sound due to the wing supports? They are also near the exits for a quick exit.

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by euroderf »

skrebbel wrote: post #37

> A report in a Hungarian publication claims, "A passenger was sucked into the window by the change in air pressure, with the 61-year-old man's head sticking out of the plane. Witnesses say his wife grabbed him, which was the reason he wasn't pulled out of the plane by the lower air pressure outside." [translation by Google] Points for the wife! (from https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/672872-ryanair-... )

In the olden days, if someone saved your life, you owed them a year of free service.

So this guy should be ready for a year of TOTAL housework dedication.

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by sam1714 »

dingaling wrote: post #56
RetroTechie wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The window didn't "fall off". In article's 1st paragraph: "debris from a dramatic engine failure caused damage to the aircraft's window" That's high-velocity pieces of metal. Hard to prevent that from shattering a window if engine housing didn't catch it. How much stronger, thicker & heavier you want to make those windows? Costing how much more fuel? To save how many lives per year? I'd think airplane builders (note:…

Fan and turbine failures are supposed to be contained by the engine casing - it's part of certification. But as we see here, uncontained failures do occur. In general "airplane builders" do the absolute minimum to meet certification so they're not going to add reinforcement to protect against such an event until they're forced Into doing so by the authorities. Turboprops can't, of course, contain a propellor failure…

Fan blade failures are supposed to be contained. Turbine disk failures are not. This leads to several characteristics: disks are life-limited parts where they must be removed after so many cycles, no fuel tanks are within the burst axis of disks, and the flight ceiling of airliners is dictated by the fact that you can get holes and the cabin can (at >1e-9/flight hour) rapidly depressurize.

Re: Ryanair passenger sucked toward broken window after midair engine failure

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Post by burnt-resistor »

flutas wrote: post #11

Extremely similar to Southwest flight 1380 which killed a person in the US after they were partially sucked out of a broken window from an engine failure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380

The CFM56 cowl redesign to prevent fan blade off uncontained failure is still unfixed. The FAA gave Boeing/CFM an unreasonable amount of time (July 31, 2028) to address the issue. This is similar to the bungled handling of MCAS.
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