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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

wqaatwt wrote: post #120
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

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Christianity is no different.

To be fair for the most part Christianity didn’t spread top down through violent conquest (obviously with some huge exceptions) at least in the Middle East and surrounding regions. Also it’s historically better at integrating local cultural practices and languages. Unlike Islam which which usually wiped out local cultural and linguistic identities (during the periods of Arab conquests, that shifted quite a but later…

Did you just hand wave off the crusades?

And when you say “historically better at integrating local cultural practices”, India, China and Australia, would like a word with you. Holy shit you should just delete your account right now

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by Hikikomori »

ekianjo wrote: post #158
Hikikomori wrote: post #134

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Both are backward medieval deathcults to atheists.

atheists put in place MAID which is in itself a deathcult

Why are you complaining? Isn't it great that you get to meet your maker earlier?

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by throwaway30213 »

jsemrau wrote: post #99
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

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Christianity is no different.

Please educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble. Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands of years. There is nothing even remotely comparable.

More like the last 500 years. Before that the cultural and scientific centers of the world were variously in muslim, hindu, chinese, roman and other civilizations.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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al_borland wrote: post #29
kenjackson wrote: post #26

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Italy was it for me. The train station in Rome was crazy. And just Venice in general. I was probably just in the touristy areas, but it was definitely the most hardcore non-stop street scamming I'd been around.

I was just in Rome last year. The only place I really ran into issues was outside the Coliseum. I just said “huh” and mumbled “I don’t know” to every question until they went away. “Where are you from?” “I don’t know.” I think they just thought I was an idiot, or had very limited English, which is fine by me. I was told later by a guide that if you say “no, grazie” in a semi-convincing Italian, they’d assume you’re l…

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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by hammock »

swasheck wrote: post #171
ghostDancer wrote: post #131

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In the beginning it prosecuted the Christians but later the Roman empire embraced Christianity and imposed all through the empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_as_the_Roman_stat...

i’m no apologist for christian history but you are both dancing around the nuances to make your own respective points. both things can be true but they require a lot of words: the roman republic, and subsequent empire were happy to allow conquered peoples to maintain their own ways of life as long as a few basic (in their estimation) requirements were met (taxes, fealty, etc). it was ripe for corruption to the conque…

> islam arises primarily as a repudiation of polytheism and what is perceived as loose monotheism

I doubt that “repudiation” of said things was the main driver.

I’m pretty sure by 600ad Rome was pretty solidly Christian (or at elite levels, perhaps secular), what other gods did exist were folk/syncretistic practices, which also existed in Islam (sufis, Zoroastrian stuff, gnostic stuff etc) and which still existed today in Christianity (in the Philippines, the Caribbean, Africa, etc)

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by Hikikomori »

graemep wrote: post #152
Hikikomori wrote: post #136

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Yet Christians had no problems taking, owning an selling slaves on an industrial scale for 100s of years. Their book even includes an ownership guide. And then you want a gold star for stopping what you created? The theocratic mind is laughable.

> Their book even includes an ownership guide. You mean the books of the Bible containing rules explicitly rejected by Christians from the start? The rules that Jesus is recorded as saying was a moral compromise? You are also conveniently skipping over the declarations of equality (with regard to slavery, race and sex) in the New Testament.

That's the thing, there's something about just about everything that can be interpreted in either direction. But christians are just humans, we do these things. The problem I have is when christians pretend they are better and always were because their new interpretation of some text. American slavery being a great example of this as the bible was just to both justify and in abolishment. And as usual, its all about what parts we currently like while ignoring the others.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by declan_roberts »

throwaway30213 wrote: post #185
wqaatwt wrote: post #119

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It is somewhat different. Romans or Greeks didn’t really violently impose their culture, religion and language to a comparable degree. Without the Islamic invasions Egyptian would likely still be speaking Coptic these days.

There is a certain irony in your comment written in English posted on July 11, the 2026th year of Our Lord (though not mine), according to the Gregorian calender (named after Pope Gregory XIII who issued the papal bull that ordained said calendar) at 08:34:41, Universal Standard Time (the local time in London, United Kingdom). And the fact that i am reading this comment in the weekend (the Christian and Jewish days o…

Ah yea, Christianity, famous for spreading around the Middle East via the sword.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by dismalaf »

senderista wrote: post #92
dismalaf wrote: post #62

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Not just Islamic conquest but Arab conquest. Up to this point Arabs lived mainly in, well, Arabia. The indigenous peoples of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc..., were all non-Arab. Nowadays those indigenous groups are known as Copts, Syriacs, Chaldeans, etc...

We call Arabic speakers “Arabs” but there wasn’t that much genetic replacement.

85% of Egyptians have some Arab DNA. Only 15% don't have Arab DNA.

Even if the amount of DNA only adds up to 20% of their mix (the average), it's still very significant.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by dismalaf »

throwaway30213 wrote: post #190
dismalaf wrote: post #62

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Not just Islamic conquest but Arab conquest. Up to this point Arabs lived mainly in, well, Arabia. The indigenous peoples of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc..., were all non-Arab. Nowadays those indigenous groups are known as Copts, Syriacs, Chaldeans, etc...

And indigenous groups in France (just to use an example) are called Occitans, Bretons, Catalonians, Flemish, Alsatians, Corsicans, etc., etc. This isn't a unique phenomenon.

Flemish, Alsatians and Corsicans are literally Dutch, German and Italian, who are just part of France due to recent history. Occitans and Catalans are near Spain.

Bretons are Celts just like Gauls, whom you missed. You also missed other Celtic groups. And they (Celts) were the majority before invasions, still the majority.

Indigenous doesn't mean minority, it means the original inhabitants.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by senderista »

dismalaf wrote: post #198
senderista wrote: post #92

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We call Arabic speakers “Arabs” but there wasn’t that much genetic replacement.

85% of Egyptians have some Arab DNA. Only 15% don't have Arab DNA. Even if the amount of DNA only adds up to 20% of their mix (the average), it's still very significant.

Black Americans have on average 20-25% European ancestry but we don’t call them “Europeans”.
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