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EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Social media, even before the era of dark patterns and 'engagement' maximization was still extremely addictive. It just had a less pronounced effect in large part because fewer people were using it. For instance there was a time when Facebook was university only and invite only. And this is all for people that are of the 'legal age' so to speak using it. For kids, who are going to be even more insecure, have more ong…

>> Social media, even before the era of dark patterns and 'engagement' maximization was still extremely addictive. I disagree. When you only saw what you followed you ran out of 'content' regularly. For example, it was a common feature on Twitter clients to maintain your scroll position in your feed because keeping up to date with it and reading it in its entirety was the norm. Same goes for Facebook. Your friends on…

You're probably speaking more from the perspective of a college student, if not adult when this stuff was kicking off.

For kids today it's an entirely different world. Take all the petty little things that naturally happen in school settings, multiply it by orders of magnitude, make it not only permanent but permanently shareable - and you have social media + kids. It's a rather horrific thing. By college a lot of things like bullying have cooled down a good deal, and college kids tend to be at least somewhat more secure, so the image crafting and other issues are at least somewhat less harmful, but this is all very different for children.

And the worst part of this is that as horrible as this all is, it remains highly addictive. It's not about perpetual browsing but about FOMO. Anytime anybody posts something, there's this concern that maybe it's about you, or maybe it's something you don't want to miss out on, or maybe it's just something generally interesting. And this again just among your 'friends.'

Even if you completely eliminated algorithmic promotion (and advertising - which is probably even worse than crap organic 'content') you'd still see significant negative effects of social media on children.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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I get the sentiment you're going for and it seems very popular to shit on parents but as a dad myself with quite demanding kids I'd be more .. hesitant to make judgments like that. There literally are a million reasons I could behave like that. I could have just spend an entire week with them, ceaselessly catering to their every whim. You know this won't ever be enough. They'll yell at you all day any day to look at…

That's a fair response, I get that kids can be overwhelming (hell, I'm pretty sure I'm not made to handle all that activity all the time), but at the same time, _you're at the beach_, the day is beautiful, the little waves look great, and even if you just wanna relax, the least you could do is tell your kids to go play in the water while you sunbathe or whatever. My point, rather than a parent ignoring their kids and…

Its great to have these opinions and I agree with some of them. But to force these beliefs on others through laws is crossing a line you will regret at some point in your life. That's because it sets the precedent for others to force their beliefs on you in the future through governmental force. Including things you may morally disagree with.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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That is the point they are making.

What point? That people experience fatal withdrawal symptoms when they stop "consuming" social media? I find that very hard to believe. Do you have any research proving such claims?

"fatal" You are just clutching at dramatic things nobody said

Also,these studies are a search away. Fill your boots.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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post #176

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That's a fair response, I get that kids can be overwhelming (hell, I'm pretty sure I'm not made to handle all that activity all the time), but at the same time, _you're at the beach_, the day is beautiful, the little waves look great, and even if you just wanna relax, the least you could do is tell your kids to go play in the water while you sunbathe or whatever. My point, rather than a parent ignoring their kids and…

Its great to have these opinions and I agree with some of them. But to force these beliefs on others through laws is crossing a line you will regret at some point in your life. That's because it sets the precedent for others to force their beliefs on you in the future through governmental force. Including things you may morally disagree with.

> But to force these beliefs on others through laws is crossing a line you will regret at some point in your life.

Where did they argue for a policy solution?

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Its great to have these opinions and I agree with some of them. But to force these beliefs on others through laws is crossing a line you will regret at some point in your life. That's because it sets the precedent for others to force their beliefs on you in the future through governmental force. Including things you may morally disagree with.

> But to force these beliefs on others through laws is crossing a line you will regret at some point in your life. Where did they argue for a policy solution?

Their original post said, "I truly hope something is done about this." My interpretation is that they mean some policy gets created as its in direct response to the article.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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What point? That people experience fatal withdrawal symptoms when they stop "consuming" social media? I find that very hard to believe. Do you have any research proving such claims?

"fatal" You are just clutching at dramatic things nobody said Also,these studies are a search away. Fill your boots.

OP compared "TikTok addiction" to alcoholism. It is up to them to provide proofs.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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That's a fair response, I get that kids can be overwhelming (hell, I'm pretty sure I'm not made to handle all that activity all the time), but at the same time, _you're at the beach_, the day is beautiful, the little waves look great, and even if you just wanna relax, the least you could do is tell your kids to go play in the water while you sunbathe or whatever. My point, rather than a parent ignoring their kids and…

Its great to have these opinions and I agree with some of them. But to force these beliefs on others through laws is crossing a line you will regret at some point in your life. That's because it sets the precedent for others to force their beliefs on you in the future through governmental force. Including things you may morally disagree with.

Others are already forcing their beliefs on everyone else. The current state of laws isn't natural or god-given, it was constructed by humans. Leaving things as they are is not a neutral stance.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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"fatal" You are just clutching at dramatic things nobody said Also,these studies are a search away. Fill your boots.

OP compared "TikTok addiction" to alcoholism. It is up to them to provide proofs.

Here are just some of the studies that find physcial changes in brains who show symptoms of internet addiction.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/04/i...

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10....

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/06/240604184208.h...

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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post #198

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OP compared "TikTok addiction" to alcoholism. It is up to them to provide proofs.

Here are just some of the studies that find physcial changes in brains who show symptoms of internet addiction. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/04/i... https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/06/240604184208.h...

Can you cite any specific claims regarding withdrawal symptoms from the studies you referenced? I couldn't find any.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Where, exactly? I browsed through the account settings and didn't see anything obviously relevant. (Could be that whatever option you're talking about is available only to mobile users, whereas I only ever visit Instagram on a desktop.)

Not sure about desktop, but on mobile it is under Settings and activity -> (What you see) Content preferences -> Reset suggested content.

Yeah, there don't seem to be any settings by those names in the web version. Or maybe their presence depends not on whether you're using the web vs. mobile client, but rather where you're connecting from geographically. That is, maybe Meta exposes these settings only when necessary to comply with laws or court orders in certain jurisdictions.
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