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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by neya »

estearum wrote: post #100
ryandrake wrote: post #96

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Culture issue. From How to Apply to Y Combinator [1] by Paul Graham: "Please tell us about the time you most successfully hacked some (non-computer) system to your advantage." > we’re not looking for the sort of obedient, middle-of-the-road people that big companies tend to hire. We’re looking for people who like to beat the system. 1: https://www.ycombinator.com/howtoapply.html

Nah You can beat the system and be disobedient while still behaving ethically. In fact that's the very best time to beat the system and be disobedient.

Notice how the description never included the term "ethical". That's something you injected as an assumption to make a counter point.

Not blaming you, just highlighting the flaw in your argument. Because, the lack of mention of that word IS a culture issue.

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

paxys wrote: post #182
saghm wrote: post #132

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The crucial part of why non-competes are gross is that they're trying to enforce what you do after someone stopped receiving anything from the past employer . If someone is helping competitors when still working somewhere, or actively taking stuff from their past employer after they've left, then yeah, of course that's dumb and should be punished. But there's no reason a non-compete clause is needed for that!

The companies are based in California, so regular non-competes are irrelevant. This is solely about IP theft.

That’s the key point, what’s happening here is theft.

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Post by xtracto »

Robdel12 wrote: post #70

OpenAI is about to get ROCKED on this. From this report, this looks open and shut. Apple has basically infinite money and incredible lawyers. Not sure what OpenAI can counter with unless they have clear, hard evidence this hasn’t been happening.

This is when I wish Jobs was still in charge of Apple. I never quite liked him, but I like Altman way less. And Jobs would CRUCIFY the whole openAI team for this. It would be beautiful to watch.

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Post by crossroadsguy »

overfeed wrote: post #90
Robdel12 wrote: post #70

OpenAI is about to get ROCKED on this. From this report, this looks open and shut. Apple has basically infinite money and incredible lawyers. Not sure what OpenAI can counter with unless they have clear, hard evidence this hasn’t been happening.

OpenAI also has infinite money, and the graph for money/lawyering gets clamped well below what OpenAI can afford. It's going to end most other corporate courtroom tangles: with an undisclosed settlement and a well-publicized partnership.

Infinite money if lawyers are accepting AWS and Azure credits. You got to store those discovery documents somewhere after all.

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Post by crossroadsguy »

xtracto wrote: post #354
Robdel12 wrote: post #70

OpenAI is about to get ROCKED on this. From this report, this looks open and shut. Apple has basically infinite money and incredible lawyers. Not sure what OpenAI can counter with unless they have clear, hard evidence this hasn’t been happening.

This is when I wish Jobs was still in charge of Apple. I never quite liked him, but I like Altman way less. And Jobs would CRUCIFY the whole openAI team for this. It would be beautiful to watch.

That's a very twisted kind of relative deification.

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Post by nelox »

grvdrm wrote: post #274
Aurornis wrote: post #124

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It gets even worse. The person not only kept the laptop and used an exploit to download confidential Apple documents, they bragged about it to a contact who was still working at Apple who was also feeding him information: > Liu allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop after departing the company and exploited a vulnerability to download dozens of confidential Apple documents while he was working at OpenAI. He also maint…

>This is how you behave when you think you're so much smarter than everyone around you that consequences don't apply you. Spot on perfect. I see this too often and not just in tech.

The correct term is entitled, as it applies equally whether they think they are smarter or not.

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Post by malshe »

MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #312
bunderbunder wrote: post #92

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I’ve been at companies where just one group - or even just one person - did something unconscionable and kept getting away with it until the story hit the headlines. And I can tell you, it was never just an isolated incident involving just that group. It’s also all the people who knew something was up and didn’t say anything. And it’s the corporate leadership fostering a pervasive culture of turning a blind eye to et…

It very well could be a culture issue. If it is, would you extend your opinion to say Apple turns a blind eye to ethical issues as well? All of the employees divulging secrets came from Apple after all. The person named in the lawsuit was a 24 year Apple veteran and a VP at departure.

It sounds more like they were kept in check at Apple and when they left they showed their true color

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Post by Jensson »

SXX wrote: post #337
decimalenough wrote: post #329

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If you're earning $100k in Silicon Valley, your expenses will swallow up almost all of that. A sudden $100k windfall, on the other hand, tax free and suitably invested,will let you live for years quite comfortably in many poor countries.

Sorry to disappoint you, but no you cannot live "comfortably" in "poor countries" for $100,000 for "years". Well, unless you mean like two years. I lived across South East Asia for more than decade and now live here full time. I have to live on around $20,000 / year most of the time since starting my company. And I do not live anywhere close to what average US / EU citizen will call "comfortable" let alone people fro…

The person was probably from a poor country already and was used to that.
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