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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by Hadriel »

ErneX wrote: post #5
joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

seemingly smart is the key here. intelligence doesnt make up for ethics.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by Cyberdog »

thewebguyd wrote: post #65
LoganDark wrote: post #47

Weirdly, this seems like they're trying to train a model to work like Apple? They seem really interested in processes and how stuff is done, rather than only the finished artifacts.

Given that allegedly hardware information was involved I’d lean more toward this is for developing either custom silicon based on Apple’s designs or OpenAI wants to make consumer hardware. Aren’t they making something with Jony Ive too?

I assumed consumer hardware too though I can't imagine what OpenAI hardware would look like. Another take on the "smart speaker" that has hit the consumer market with a resounding "meh?"

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by paul7986 »

ErneX wrote: post #9
atlasunshrugged wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right? Just straight up documentation with no shame: From an Axios article on this > Liu celebrated the exploit, according to the filing. "LOL, I found out I can access the [network storage], so funny," he said in a message to a former colleague who was still employed by Apple. https://www.axios.com/2026/07/10/apple-sues-openai-trade-sec...

Appalling.

It is but it is the Silicon Valley way and business way for many. Steamroll and do whatever it takes to win and be successful. Morals what are those?

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by Marsymars »

estearum wrote: post #103
TheJoeMan wrote: post #87

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As a counterpoint, why should a “metal finishing technique” be proprietary? Lying to the vendor that Apple said it’s ok is obviously wrong, but an employee taking that knowledge in their head doesn’t seem wrong to me. We have moved past the age of indentured apprentices and the freemasons.

Because Apple paid to produce that knowledge? It's good that people can spend a lot of time and money developing new knowledge and then for some period of time they get to exclusively reap the rewards of doing so. Do you mind if I MITM all of your work output, your emails, your code, your messages, and attach my name to it and then receive your paychecks in exchange for my work?

> Because Apple paid to produce that knowledge? It's good that people can spend a lot of time and money developing new knowledge and then for some period of time they get to exclusively reap the rewards of doing so.

You’re describing patents?

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Post by miroljub »

joshstrange wrote: post #2

Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

Every single time.

If someone calls himself open, you should know who it is and what to expect.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by loeg »

Hadriel wrote: post #111
ErneX wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

seemingly smart is the key here. intelligence doesnt make up for ethics.

Yeah but it isn't just unethical, it's also deeply stupid -- you will be caught.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by SoftTalker »

Hadriel wrote: post #111
ErneX wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

seemingly smart is the key here. intelligence doesnt make up for ethics.

And I'd question the intelligence also. I don't think employment at FAANG means a lot in that regard.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by loeg »

kbelder wrote: post #84
stavros wrote: post #63

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Because companies get an advantage by having their people do this. You only hear about the times they get caught, but apparently they get caught so rarely that it's worth it.

Everywhere I've ever worked, if I went to management and said "hey, I've got some files from my last job, if you want to see them," they would say "absolutely not, please get rid of them RIGHT NOW," and probably fire me. But, I don't work in Silicon Valley.

I work for a Silicon Valley headquartered company and would expect the same.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by mannanj »

Robdel12 wrote: post #70

OpenAI is about to get ROCKED on this. From this report, this looks open and shut. Apple has basically infinite money and incredible lawyers. Not sure what OpenAI can counter with unless they have clear, hard evidence this hasn’t been happening.

Is there any other AI company with as much controversy as this company?

- ~murdered~ (dead) employee who's mother is on a anti-sam hate campaign - ceo fired then coup's his way back into the company - conflict of interest with Microsoft

Despite Anthropic's bad press, they haven't been as dishonest as this company.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Marsymars wrote: post #114
estearum wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Apple paid to produce that knowledge? It's good that people can spend a lot of time and money developing new knowledge and then for some period of time they get to exclusively reap the rewards of doing so. Do you mind if I MITM all of your work output, your emails, your code, your messages, and attach my name to it and then receive your paychecks in exchange for my work?

> Because Apple paid to produce that knowledge? It's good that people can spend a lot of time and money developing new knowledge and then for some period of time they get to exclusively reap the rewards of doing so. You’re describing patents?

And NDAs. I may develop a non-patentable technique. That doesn't mean I can't share it with you under NDA and, if you breach said NDA, enforce it.
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