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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

It’s even more ridiculous when choosing to do it Apple. It’s hard to think of a company with more legal resources and which is more protective of its hardware IP.

And vindictiveness.

Steve declared thermonuclear war on Google because Android re-skinned to use BUTTONS.

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Weirdly, this seems like they're trying to train a model to work like Apple? They seem really interested in processes and how stuff is done, rather than only the finished artifacts.

That doesn't seem that weird to me. Good processes lead to good artifacts.

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Some pretty damning stuff: > OpenAI also instructs new hires on how to avoid scrutiny when they leave Apple. For example, Mr. Tan warns them not to tell Apple that they have taken jobs at OpenAI, so they can stay at Apple as long as they can. > Apple says it discovered a pattern of OpenAI recruits emailing themselves confidential information when leaving Apple, including Tan. > OpenAI apparently used confidential App…

This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

Because companies get an advantage by having their people do this. You only hear about the times they get caught, but apparently they get caught so rarely that it's worth it.

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Great artists steal ideas, not a painting off a gallery wall.

a "metal-finishing technique" _is_ an idea. joke

The concept of applying some kind of Apple-ish texture finish to metal is an idea. A research-heavy, highly specific, finely tuned, multiple step, trade secret, brand signature metal finishing technique is a painting.

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Weirdly, this seems like they're trying to train a model to work like Apple? They seem really interested in processes and how stuff is done, rather than only the finished artifacts.

Given that allegedly hardware information was involved I’d lean more toward this is for developing either custom silicon based on Apple’s designs or OpenAI wants to make consumer hardware. Aren’t they making something with Jony Ive too?

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Google/Waymo + Uber/Otto comes to mind here with Anthony Levandowski.

Google and Uber started as courtroom enemies, but probably had to commiserate some on Anthony Levandowski probably being the worst hire they both made.

When all that went down, I was at Facebook. And some recruiter posted the news that Anthony was no longer at Uber, with a message like “this is a great opportunity to secure a top tier hire!”

I replied (on Workplace) “Absolutely the fuck NOT.”

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Great artists steal ideas, not a painting off a gallery wall.

a "metal-finishing technique" _is_ an idea. joke

Having a certain type of finish on the metal is an idea. Tricking someone into using Apple’s exact trade-secret finishing technique is copying. Making a new, even better technique, that’s so good the general public forgets about Apple and thinks you’re the new benchmark… that’s the kind of stealing that quote is talking about.

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Weirdly, this seems like they're trying to train a model to work like Apple? They seem really interested in processes and how stuff is done, rather than only the finished artifacts.

That doesn't seem that weird to me. Good processes lead to good artifacts.

Apple just seems like a weird target for that kind of stuff, is all.

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A company that behaves like this in one area, cannot be trusted in any area. Any enterprise that endorses/allows OpenAI products to be used is taking a big risk.

You can trust Apple. I mean they openly lied to a judge last year under oath, but you can trust them.
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