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EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Nothing was ever said about the addictive design of mainstream TV - because then the rulers controlled the message being streamed into the brains of the population. It is precisely on Facebook and Instagram where you find the only popular movements against the current order in Europe, and the citizen journalists who expose and scrutinize the powers. It's a giant political threat towards those in power. So, how do we…

> It is precisely on Facebook and Instagram where you find the only popular movements against the current order in Europe, and the citizen journalists who expose and scrutinize the powers. It's a giant political threat towards those in power.

Also known as Russian, Iranian, Israeli and Chinese bot farms.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/22/experts-w...

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/09/g-s1-9010/russia-bot-farm-ai-...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/05/facebook-bot-fa...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-allies-using-armies-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran...

People calling this stuff "popular movements" and "citizen journalists" are either naive or complicit.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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> good luck forcing Meta When I was a kid there were fines for factories that polluted water. Most of the time they were not found out, and when they did they just paid the fine that it was cheaper than to solve the problem. Regulations changed, factories that polluted water got closed until they fixed the problem. Most factory owners fear the regulation, they are extremely pro-active to avoid breaking the law becaus…

Exactly. If social media apps had a configurable old style non-algorithmic feed the problem would be dramatically smaller.

With FBPurity: https://www.fbpurity.com/ I have Facebook on my desktop computer exactly as it used to be in the 2000s when I signed up: content only from my "friends" and a few chosen sources (a band I like etc).

The newsfeed is very slow to load, as to fill the screen the extension must make twenty plus requests while hiding 99% of what Facebook's addiction machine returns.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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While it is genuinely a huge concern, the legal measure are not going to address it. One has to consider the overall picture, not just a corner of it. The ship has sailed. There will be addictive designs, products, services etc. The very theme of a business is centered around keeping the customers addicted. It's just a matter of time, every business on this planet would, with the help of AI, make their products and s…

I personally think the answer should be mandating user controls of said algorithms. If you have a large social media site that suggests results or provides a feed then you must allow users to configure said feed.

The default should be simple, something like time-ordered of followed only with opt in for recommendations. Ideally I'd love to be able to swap algorithms for something open source but setting a standard there rather than just mandating a level of control seems a bigger hurdle.

It seems entirely anti-consumer that I am just the behest of whatever Google or Meta decide is most profitable to show me instead of finding important news or entertainment in a way that I want.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

#55

Forcing social media apps to have a less addictive design is a much better way to protect young people's brains than a social media age limit is (and frankly adults need help here too).

I am with you and wish you were right, but good luck forcing Meta to change the key dark design patterns of their products (correctly identified by the regulators as "highly personalised recommendations, autoplay and infinite scroll") This is a step in the right direction, though. It will be a long journey.

> highly personalised recommendations, autoplay and infinite scroll

Didn't tiktok get hit with this earlier in the year? Has tiktok removed these features for European users?

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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post #49

While it is genuinely a huge concern, the legal measure are not going to address it. One has to consider the overall picture, not just a corner of it. The ship has sailed. There will be addictive designs, products, services etc. The very theme of a business is centered around keeping the customers addicted. It's just a matter of time, every business on this planet would, with the help of AI, make their products and s…

Do you think people made similar arguments about privacy before the GDPR?

Fun sidenote: On a recent Hotmail post on here, I saw a screenshot of hotmail V1 (way before M$ took over). They had a prominent button on their homepage about privacy.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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post #51

Nothing was ever said about the addictive design of mainstream TV - because then the rulers controlled the message being streamed into the brains of the population. It is precisely on Facebook and Instagram where you find the only popular movements against the current order in Europe, and the citizen journalists who expose and scrutinize the powers. It's a giant political threat towards those in power. So, how do we…

> It is precisely on Facebook and Instagram where you find the only popular movements against the current order in Europe, and the citizen journalists who expose and scrutinize the powers. It's a giant political threat towards those in power. Also known as Russian, Iranian, Israeli and Chinese bot farms. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/22/experts-w... https://www.npr.org/2024/07/09/g-s1-9010/russia-bo…

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Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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post #49

While it is genuinely a huge concern, the legal measure are not going to address it. One has to consider the overall picture, not just a corner of it. The ship has sailed. There will be addictive designs, products, services etc. The very theme of a business is centered around keeping the customers addicted. It's just a matter of time, every business on this planet would, with the help of AI, make their products and s…

Do you think people made similar arguments about privacy before the GDPR?

GDPR ship has largely sailed too. E.g. the illegal Pay or Okay is widespread, including in Instagram.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is precisely on Facebook and Instagram where you find the only popular movements against the current order in Europe, and the citizen journalists who expose and scrutinize the powers. It's a giant political threat towards those in power. Also known as Russian, Iranian, Israeli and Chinese bot farms. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/22/experts-w... https://www.npr.org/2024/07/09/g-s1-9010/russia-bo…

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I'm not sure what you mean.

I have not accused you of being any of those things, please make sure to read messages you respond to carefully before deflecting to outrage.

Those "citizen journalists" threatening "those in power" (e.g. our democratic societies) however? Yeah no shit they're malign actors.

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