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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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miohtama wrote: post #688
mrtksn wrote: post #14

FTA: What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same: *What is coming back:* US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud. *What remains unchanged:* Public social media posts and files h…

Guess what's coming next: > Overview > End-to-end encryption is a term used to describe blocking or preventing any third-party recipient from viewing, reading or becoming aware of information that one individual has sent to another. In response to growing concerns about online data security, many technology companies are adopting this strategy with potentially dire circumstances. > The use of end-to-end encryption wo…

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

dyauspitr wrote: post #394
bradley13 wrote: post #128

Stupid parliamentary trick: Hold the vote on the day before the summer break - ensuring that many people have already returned to their home countries. Then use a sort of "reverse" parliamentary trick: the default is that this legislation is accepted. They needed an absolute majority - not of voting members, but of all members - to reject it. Result: 314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions, 113 absent The EU is wel…

The internet is pretty stupid now and needs to be reigned in so our sons and daughters aren’t wide eyed zombies. Most of you won’t agree with me but it’s true and something needs to be done so I laud this.

The internet is not the problem, the algo is.

With the internet I have free MIT lessons, documentaries, debates on Youtube!

I have access to scientific journals.

I can access every book ever written in the world.

The internet is not the issue here. The homepages/fyp on youtube, tiktok, instagram is. Books and the correct asthetic needs to be prioritized.

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

thin_carapace wrote: post #563
Eueudhsbsj32 wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why just western kids? Cell phone and tablet use by little kids in Asia is on a whole other level.

I have no experience with the way children are raised in asia and am horrified that this phenomenon is not constrained to one particular region

Why did you think it was?

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Post by the_mar »

omnimus wrote: post #656
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is wholly against Chat Control.

Where did you get that impression? The main driver for Chat Control 2.0 is lobby org Internet Watch Foundation where Apple one of the main donors (along with Meta, Google, Microsoft, OpenAI)

because we all can agree child porn is bad and just because a company donates to a charity doesn't mean they get to dictate their policies

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Post by imtringued »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #616
philipallstar wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a terrible principle to think like this, though. People shouldn't be sanctioned because it might not be too bad in practice.

sure, but people shouldn't lie about what the current consequence of things are either. I'm pretty sure I'm closer to death and homelessness than Xavier Moreau is. on edit: also I think the whole death and homelessness worry expressed seems sort of weird, because I think the normal order would be homelessness and death. I may die soon, but in that context I will not actually be worrying about homelessness. Maybe that…

Xavier Moreau is not in the EU so a travel ban that prevents him from leaving the EU obviously does not affect him. The sanctions only affect the seized assets.

Meanwhile Jacques Baud is a Swiss Citizen in the EU and the sanctions ban him from leaving the EU, which makes the EU a de facto open air prison for him.

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Post by petesergeant »

wojciii wrote: post #625
LtWorf wrote: post #600

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It cannot. EU laws are completely useless and must be implemented by every government as a local law, which won't be more powerful than the constitution. The problem is that constitutional courts should then say the law was against the constitution and cancel it, but will that happen?

The Danish government is pro spying on its people. Currently we have numberplate recognition everywhere and logging of SMS and position info of phones. So this is just another step into the direction where we will be watched everywhere by our government in case we step out of line.

> The Danish government is pro spying on its people.

It would be more surprising if the organisation ultimately responsible for security did not want to.

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Post by fosk »

The EU is a farce, an undemocratic virtue signaling organization, and this is why:

- The Parliament voted against the first reading of this proposal twice in 2026, the first time they only supported limited cases for it, while the second time they actually defeated it fully.

- The Commission didn't care, and kept the proposal on the table by refusing to withdraw it.

- Once the Commission does that, the proposal goes on second-reading (despite the first-reading having defeated it) and it is established in a very PERVERSE way in EU law that to AVOID passing the proposal in second-reading you need ABSOLUTE majority which is incredibly hard to pursue (you would think that we would need an absolute majority to PASS a proposal that was previously defeated on first-reading, not instead needing absolute majority to DENY a previously defeated proposal that was again forced to the table).

- Furthermore, absences in practicality count as "No" on the rejection. So of course they scheduled the vote in the summer when notoriously there will be many absences.

By never withdrawing a defeated proposal they can effectively and in practicality pursue any agenda they want (it requires a massive mobilization effort to find absolute majority to defeat any proposal, especially when absences for any reason effectively count against rejection).

In PRACTICALITY, the Commission can pursue any agenda whenever and however they want, and throw the votes down the drain.

EU's democracy is lipstick on a pig.

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Post by sylware »

mrtksn wrote: post #14

FTA: What changes with the return of Chat Control 1.0—and what stays the same: *What is coming back:* US tech companies are once again allowed to scan private messages without a warrant or prior suspicion. This affects direct messages on platforms like Instagram, Discord, Snapchat, Skype, and Xbox, as well as emails via Google’s Gmail and Apple’s iCloud. *What remains unchanged:* Public social media posts and files h…

And your REALLY think E2E is going to "protect" you?

If the "services" want to watch, don't worry they will, "they don't need your password". But I guess they "do" that only for the very baddies, aka child exploitation, human trafficking, terrorists, killers, drug dealers, etc.

We all know here that "information system security" does not exist, this is a fantasy: there is only some "best effort" with a wide spectrum of compromises. If somebody talks to you about "deliverable security", that guy wants to sell you something.

E2E will protect you only against John Doh, "hacker only on Sundays". And we better keep that in mind.

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