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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by andrepd »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #544
alberto467 wrote: post #376

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Exactly. The issue is them being automatically in favor, that’s a really extreme measure I as an eu citizen did not know about, even though I’d say I’m probably more informed then the average and was made to study eu history, structure and laws in school. That kind of stuff is really weird, even weirder is that such an emergency measure can be activated without countries being in active war or the like.

Nobody is automatically in favor. What are you talking about, that’s not how it worked at all.

Make a "reverse vote" to reject passing a law = abstentions mean you don't reject passing the law = abstentions mean you support passing the law

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Post by LtWorf »

stingraycharles wrote: post #552
spikels wrote: post #347

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Not only was Chat Control 1.0 already rejected twice by the European Parliament but: - This vote took place on last day of the session when many MEPs had already left for Summer vacation - 112 MEPs of 719 didn't vote. - The vote was called only two days before as an "Rule 170 - Urgent procedure" - 73 MEPs missed the vote making it "urgent". Normally it takes months of procedure to come up for a final vote.

And then people wonder why there’s so little faith in the EU and why there is a perception of them being disconnected from the real interests of the people.

Oh but they keep reposting how phones will have replaceable batteries now, so it's all fine, they are good guys!

I've seen several posts with the photo of Ursula (one of the most hated politicians of all times) associated with the batteries thing.

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Post by LtWorf »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #536
joe_mamba wrote: post #422

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Jacques Baud (Swiss) and Xavier Moreau (French) citizens, got sanctioned by the EU[1] on the basis of "acting as mouthpieces for pro-Russian propaganda and spreading conspiracy theories". Sanctioning means asset freezes, debanking and travel bans, virtually a slow and painful sentence to homelessness and death since you won't be able to travel, have a bank account, a job, own or rent anything under sanctions. I don't…

Were they found to be guilty of “acting as mouthpieces for pro-Russian propaganda and spreading conspiracy theories"? If so, well…

They were not put on trial so they weren't found guilty of anything at all.

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Post by sevenzero »

voodooEntity wrote: post #586

Some people say im rather pessimistic - but i still kinda hoped that the EU will not go down this path. That said - i was obviously wrong. I don't really know what else to say than : this breaks a fundamental foundation of privacy. Sure i was never 100% aligned with EU level decisions (neither with my residing country one's) but that's just... wrong on so many levels... how can i even still argue to people that EU an…

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Post by [deleted] »

tryauuum wrote: post #335
globular-toast wrote: post #215

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Sadly doesn't seem to make much difference, though. If anything the UK is less authoritarian than the US now.

It's hard to compare US and EU internet freedom because a person usually spends most of their life in one place and is clueless about the life in other. I've never lived in US, were there any cases of ISPs blocking websites in USA? Even DNS-level blocking counts

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Post by sevenzero »

pharos92 wrote: post #598

I no longer hold the belief that The West is moral or good-faith actor. In my lifetime I've watch the state go from being relatively benign, to maintaining face, to all-out racket, corruption and anti-democratic behaviour. I sympathise with both left-wing and right-wing sentiment. The system no longer works by-and-for the people. Call it elite capture, call it communism. My view is we're dealing with a Janus-like sys…

But this is the direct result of Europes shift to right wing parties and corruption? How can you sympathize with the right-wing sentiment?

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Post by thomassmith65 »

monssooon wrote: post #476

To me as a European, this is not only about the dystopia that is becoming the tech survailance of society but it is a perfect example of what I feel the EU is. It is a disgusting dysfunctional institution that should have never been created in my opinion. This is what we have... Unelected bureaucrats using every opportunistic tool they can to, in my opinion get rid of democracy. What are we fighting for at this point…

  It is a disgusting dysfunctional institution that should have never been created in my opinion.
The EU successfully addressed some big issues that young people don't feel are relevant anymore because the EU successfully addressed them.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by rendaw »

rowanG077 wrote: post #366
GiorgioG wrote: post #362

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So 112 MEPs didn't do their job...got it.

Politicians can take vacations. Many things went wrong here but this ain't it.

This is an absurdly bad take.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/9/plenary-session...

> Plenary sessions of Parliament take place 12 times per year in Strasbourg and last four days

There are 48 days in sessions over a year. You're saying that it's too much to ask MEPs not to take holidays during those 48 days? Am I missing something here?

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Post by stephen_g »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #543
hunter-gatherer wrote: post #524

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I don't know... I'm not European so I don't really care, but I feel like there are some jobs that have an existing overlap of _duty_. I was in the military, and PTO was viewed as a privilege, and sometimes leave was cancelled, but that makes sense because of the position. Other civilian jobs, like firefighters, police, maybe some medical practitioners, might have this same thing. Politicians I would say is definitely…

This is a deeply American (and Puritan) view of work, and I can say that as an American who works in public service. PTO is not a “privilege.” In fact, it is a documented right as part of the employment agreement your company makes you, when you sign that document about the handbook. It should be a legal agreement, but somehow we’ve convinced people their purpose in life is to work for 50-60 years for 40+ hours a wee…

Strange response... Since when is the idea of ‘duty’ supposed to be ‘deeply American’?

I’m not American but happy to agree with the OP - being an elected MP is not just a job and if they want to take leave whenever they want to and miss critical votes then I’m sure they would have no trouble getting a normal job instead!

Surely the parliamentary sitting schedule gives them plenty of time off already where they would not miss votes (I know it does in my country)

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Post by akimbostrawman »

sunshowers wrote: post #342
akimbostrawman wrote: post #320

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>asylum are prohibited from making a living This is exactly how we got here. We allowed them to work to make temporary asylum permanent migration.

Look, you can either let people make a living and manage their own lives while contributing to society, or you can not let them make a living and ensure they're housed and fed. You can't be angry at A and also be angry at B.

Nice framing. How about C: not letting in a flood of financial refugees with completly different cultural values in the first place or at least send them back at some point instead of giving them free citizenship and all its benefits as justification for them working here or not being able to work?
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