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EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #353
inferniac wrote: post #131

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>This is a nice piece of democracy right here: this is just eu in a nutshell, the irish were made to vote on both nice and lisbon treaties twice (both were voted no in the first vote)

Any time now even the most pro-european EU defender will realise that what was once a trade union has slowly transformed itself into an undemocratic, bureaucratic monster.

A surprisingly large amount of people are quite alright with that as long as they perceive that those undemocratic processes are producing the end results they desire. It's not unique to the EU, though they do play this game very well, or even to this time period. Once the powers have been granted, the public has only limited ability to revoke the power, with many of them easily swayed that it's good for this power to exist by having a red meat issue thrown to them to chew on as a distraction.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

expedited123 wrote: post #62
xienze wrote: post #36

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It's not so much "support" as "not caring." Most "regular" people, when they hear about measures like this, say "oh no, the government can see my boring text messages to grandma, who cares", much they same way they shrug off the dangers of having a robot vacuum live-streaming the inside of their house to China ("there's nothing interesting in my house, who cares").

The thing is... It's not even reported on the news here (Lithuania). Just now I scrolled through our most popular news sites. 0 mentions. Wasn't on TV either. The vast majority of the population didn't even have a clue that the vote was happening. I checked the top 5 most popular local news sites. There was one article about chat control in April and then 2 more from 2025. That's it. Imagine an issue as big as this a…

State owned news will follow orders or people be removed. Arrrrr! They will have their incentives, even if people at the top of news reporting institutions are highly paid. Wouldn't want that dirt they have hidden be uncovered, now would they? Better dance to the tune and keep an overpaid job living by leeching off the tax payers.

Example: Look at Germany and how many Rundfunk Intendanten there are and how much they make a year, plus how little coverage such topics get.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

inglor_cz wrote: post #404
jurgenburgen wrote: post #399

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That guy is outright cheerleading fascists in European countries and wants to put them in power. Why would he want to take away such a powerful tool from them?

He definitely does not want to put this power into the hands of EPP and S+D, which are precisely the two fractions that pushed this through.

Once a law is passed that permits abuse of power, that new toy is available to whoever is in control of the government, which could be the parties he likes. Seen this kind of thing over and over again when one group gains control of a level of government, passes a bunch of authoritarian crap under the belief they have a mandate to rule forever, and then lose power, giving their opponents control over that new authoritarian toy. In the end, the political class gains more power and the public loses. What rarely happens is a change in leadership giving up the power the previous leadership gave itself.

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Post by xorcist »

greenavocado wrote: post #218
bluescrn wrote: post #203

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War requires industry. But we've deindustrialised and outsourced the manufacture of almost everything to China.

They will rapidly reindustrialize when the first shots are fired. The EU's goal is the strategic defeat of Russia. What the common people think or want is irrelevant. All environmental and climate legislation that gets in the way will be waivered indefinitely until the war is over 5+ years of drone warfare and 100s of thousands dead.

> The EU's goal is the strategic defeat of Russia

This does not even make sense as a conspiracy theory.

Had "EU" wanted to hurt Russia there were was a thousand ways to do that. But they didn't. Instead they traded and built infrastructure. Most EU countries saw Russia as a partner before they invaded their neighbour in the most gruesome way possible.

If anything, the EU should have reacted sooner. It was shameful they didn't. You can't really pretend like nothing while an all out war is taking place on the same continent.

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Post by drnick1 »

thomas_witt wrote: post #93

If the EU just were to redirect the resources they're currently allocating to regulations like AI and Chat Control rather towards developing a genuinely competitive OpenAI or Anthropic alternative …

No, it's easier to put a tax on American AI companies.

Re: EU Parliament greenlights Chat Control 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

cess11 wrote: post #338
throwaway27448 wrote: post #244

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I think that's a little naive. This sort of legislation is much more useful in terms of managing the local population and what they are allowed to talk about than it is in terms of profit—except, I suppose, in the sense that holding companies liable for what is said with their software is unprofitable.

I didn't mention profit.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

budududuroiu wrote: post #142
vrganj wrote: post #26

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I think they mean local scanning for CSAM - which feels like a reasonable solution that preserves privacy, but still addresses the real problem of, y'know, child abuse?

If local scanning of CSAM flags a post, that post will have to be analysed by a human operator. If you send a sensitive photo of your kid's rash to your spouse, and it gets flagged, are you ok with a random cyber enforcement officer seeing your child in that way?

Pedos would definitely know what job to work in.

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Post by logicchains »

bko wrote: post #430
spikels wrote: post #347

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Not only was Chat Control 1.0 already rejected twice by the European Parliament but: - This vote took place on last day of the session when many MEPs had already left for Summer vacation - 112 MEPs of 719 didn't vote. - The vote was called only two days before as an "Rule 170 - Urgent procedure" - 73 MEPs missed the vote making it "urgent". Normally it takes months of procedure to come up for a final vote.

That's why you have a constitution with rights that are not up for vote. Even relying on people to vote no is not enough.

Some European countries like Germany do, but the EU somehow can override those national constitutions.
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